I dont blame you, no gunowner deserves to be harassed.
After watching the video, I have to wonder if the hotel security is incompetent or intentionally obstructionist to gun owners? Is that the standard method in all LV or just that one? It does dawn that lawyers might have had a hand in it.
Totally agree. If there’s no contract between SHOT and Vegas, they need to move. NOW! There’s gotta be a gun friendly venue somewhere large enough to host it. It won’t have the gambling and other “attractions” of Vegas but ya havta make some sacrifices for the greater good. Why spent mega bucks in some place that doesn’t want you? Your money maybe, but not you and what you represent.
Miami?
Mr. Ayoob:
Please correct me if I’m wrong, but I thought that when you rented a hotel room, much like renting an apartment, that your Constitutional rights remained valid, and that the rental space for which you paid becomes, at least for the paid rental period, your home. I thought that even police or other law enforcement had to get a warrant with which to execute a search (unless you gave them permission to enter) absent any so-called “exigent circumstances”.
Has this been reversed? Are landlords (or hotel clerks) now allowed entry (forcible or under threat of force) to occupied rental properties without warrants, or even “just cause”?
If not, what legal fiction do they have to hide behind? Why does this not open them up to massive lawsuits?
That is not the case unless state law specifically declares that to be the case. Hotels are private property. Guests agree to their terms when renting a room. Those terms are pretty wide open within the boundaries of state law.
Most, if not all, major hotels on the strip are anti-gun, as are all Hilton properties and I believe all Marriott properties. The big difference is that Vegas hotels have the funds for technology and AI to identify firearms.
Blackwing1,
I don’t know about hotel rooms, but I know about renting apartments. The law depends on the state. Some states say landlords must allow tenants to exercise their Second Amendment rights, and some states say landlords can prohibit guns on their private property.
In the 2021 legislative session, the casino industry attempted to pass a bill that would have made carrying a gun in a casino a criminal offense rather than something enforced via the trespass law as is normally the case in NV and many other states. It failed when the local BLM affiliate and the police union both testified against it. I have to assume that the heavy-handed casino security response is their attempt to use the trespass law against legal gun carriers.
Another reason to avoid Las Vegas is that it is a criminal offense to carry a gun, even with a permit, in the non-secure part of the airport. This is a relic of the times before state level preemption passed.
Even my state of FL has that restiction in the non-sterile terminal area as i understand it.
Fortunately, it is a minor issue for me personally. I virtually never go in the terminal unless I am a passenger myself. The rare exception would be someone needing help in the terminal (a child, someone with special needs and such).
Florida:
790.06
(12)(a)14. The inside of the passenger terminal and sterile area of any airport, provided that no person shall be prohibited from carrying any legal firearm into the terminal, which firearm is encased for shipment for purposes of checking such firearm as baggage to be lawfully transported on any aircraft. $790.06(12)
Infuriating.
Good reason to never go back unless they change the location. I have seen this video before and it’s infuriating that a bunch overweight, incompetent rent a cops can wield this much weight. Pun intended. I’ve been there once myself and that’s enough.
I still do not understand why SHOT is in Vegas.
It seems to me that finding an alternate venue such as Texas or Florida will be a great way to demonstrate that this kind of behavior will not be tolerated.
“Generat[ing] over $200 million in economic impact and bring[ing] over 55,000 visitors to Las Vegas”
Hit them in the wallet, and they will either change their behavior, or, suffer the consequences of their actions.
Breaking and maintaining the three cardinal rules of stupid 24 hours a day, Vegas itself is no place for me.
There are actually 4 rules of stupid but Vegas breaks all of them.
The 4 rules of stupid are literally the entire purpose of Vegas.
Sadly, I have to travel to the Venetian annually for a work event. NV does not recognize my state’s permit. I have to go unarmed. Steel body pens are about the best I can do. Maybe a fully ceramic knife with zero metal parts.
You can put a good enough edge on a glass-filled high density plastic knife.
It won’t keep it, but it will do the job for a single-use emergency.
Wow.
I had heard of something like this before. Maybe it was the same case. If it was, I don’t recall seeing the video. The video drives it home
I have stayed at the Venetian on occasion, spent good money in their restaurants & stores and even attended a destination wedding at the property once while staying there.
Though I am not a Las Vegas frequent visitor, I will not give them another dollar until they change their attitude and policies.
Same with all of Las Vegas, it seems.
If I go again, I will check out Trump’s place, avoid the city or not go at all.
It is sad, but I believe it is another example of someone wanting to achieve a good result, but not able to execute the logistics. Following all of the actions taken from the video you can see there is widespread uncertainty and a lack of knowledge on how to execute the program. (Whatever the program might be.) I cannot believe they even allowed the video in a “secure area”. A program that was suppose to enhance security actually weakened security. I would not feel secure staying in such a facility. I would shudder thinking of what the response time would be if there really was a security problem that required quick response.
With the thorough internet coverage of the SHOT Show, I am somewhat surprised it is still so well attended.
Easy solution as Mas pointed out. Boycott SHOT Show and be vocal about why. Mr. Reeves did an exceptional job documenting his experience. I guess the first question to ask a venue is their gun carry policy. If it is draconian, reserve space elsewhere. X is a good platform for this. I’m sure SHOT organizers would be interested.
I used to look forward to the day when I would qualify to become an attendee at the SHOT Show. It was last year when I first realized that, even if that day comes, I won’t go — not if it’s in Vegas. I can’t remember for sure, but I think what prompted that conclusion was an article about a hotel in TX, with an account of an incident similar to that of the Venetian. The same article broached SHOT Show challenges. It mentioned the “there isn’t another venue big enough” problem. Out of curiosity, I spent a few hours doing research and chasing rabbits. I remember concluding, “There are opportunities here.” Opportunities for a new corporation to court the SHOT Show, and build a hosting venue. Opportunities for a new trade show to compete with SHOT. “The main thing is to remember to keep the main thing the main thing.” I submit that SHOT admin needs to put that reality back into the center of their bulls-eye. If they don’t, I look forward to supporting their competition.
Thanks for the heads up.
I wonder if he dropped off his bags when he checked in and then went to the casino or bar instead of going to the room accompanied by his bags. If I had a firearm in my bag, I would stay with that bag until we got to the room and the bellhop left. Then it would stay on me until I checked out. Maybe I’m wrong, but I feel he was a little loosey goosey in firearm security.
Agree
As you conclude – simply wear your concealed firearm to be able to continuously exercise your Second Amendment rights while attending Shot. I would simply recommend verbally spreading the word. Otherwise, only God knows how much money, time, and effort it would take in legal action to up-end the presumably existing unwritten agreement between the casino, or casinos, and the local politicians.
My guess is that your unfortunate experience of being on the wrong side of this coin is the result of an under-the-table, intentionally secret political agreement between the casino, or casinos, and the local politicians. My guess is that you experienced the wrong side of the existence of the crafted work-around the hard way. And I could be entirely wrong, too. I’ve never been to Shot. I’ve never been to Vegas.
Mas,
I think it’s high time Shot Show moved to Texas. I mean seriously, with Dallas, Houston and most especially San Antonio, we more have the room and we’re a massively gun friendly state. Hell, Greg Abbott (RINO that he is) would love to get the political credit for bringing it to the Lone Star State. Even uber-blue Austin would probably take it, due to the massive influx of income to the city it would mean. Put a bug in someone’s ear, tell them to come to Texas.
I find it hard to believe that any of these people honestly believed that their draconian actions were actually making the premises the least bit safer. If they did, I’d “feel safer” if they were all forced to take a remedial class in logic.
Well-worded
Looks like it it time to move the Shot Show to Orlando in GUN FRIENDLY FLORIDA. ya know just saying.
Everything overpriced in LV. No thanks.
Damned good reasons to not go.
GLDwight
SHOT SHOW leadership
Vegas makes us look like we are more interested in partying then firearms. There are plenty of cities that can host this event. If you were really smart switch cities each year in order to expose cities to 2A activities and financial reward responsible communities
You are doing the right thing, Mas. Hit them in the wallet.
I have heard about groups of people who move to rural areas, in order to get away from Democrats. After a few years, Democrats start moving into their neighborhoods, and ruining everything.
We are two nations, and we need to separate peacefully, before violence breaks out. I don’t mean a civil war, but violence like we used to see in Northern Ireland and the Balkans. We don’t even need to form two nations, we just need to keep birds of a feather together, and keep the Dodo birds away from us.
On my PLACES TO NEVER GO list, guess who just earned their top spot?
A) If a hotel searched my luggage without my permission I would immediately check out.
B) If they refused to cancel all charges I would immediately call my credit card company and stop payment.
C) I would call the local police and find out if searching baggage without permission and/or removing the gun was legal. It could be construed as exactly what any burglar or baggage thief does. I don’t care what their motive was.
D) Yes, the hotel has a right to set their own policies, but in my opinion they have no right to search baggage without notice, nor any right to take the gun without notification of their policy when making the reservation, and making that notification in BIG BOLD RED LETTERS, not buried in the small print.
E) Screw them. This would be the last time I stayed there. Period.
You should have taken your bags, checked out and taken your gun…and then posted the most scurrilous review everywhere imaginable. Then consult an attorney.
I had previously seen Mr. Reeves’ video and was offended by how he was treated. I vowed never to stay in that hotel.
In this case, a half-dozen visibly armed hotel security rousted a guest from his room at 11 PM without apparent probable cause and without articulating reasonable suspicion, stood him humiliatingly in his boxers while they searched his room without a warrant while menacing him with implicit threat of force and expulsion from his lodging in the middle of the night, and then found nothing incriminating. This behavior borders on aggravated assault.
It would have been nice if he had checked out of the hotel right then. Then he should have sued them for relocation hotel costs and theft of the night’s sleep he had already paid for, as well as pain and psychological suffering from standing in front of a bunch of armed strangers in an unclothed state.
Now I think I’ll just totally avoid Las Vegas. The SHOT Show would be well advised to take their business elsewhere.
Didn’t BOTH ends of that exchange constitute a “transfer” and require the appropriate paperwork? NONE of which was done, thus making these illegal transfers?
hmmm
That is my read of NV law which has one of those Bloomberg universal background check laws. Requires an FFL to bless it.
“Both ends of that exchange…” in the above, refers to the Jim Reeves video where The Venetian Hotel took his guns, then at the end of his stay gave them back. Wouldn’t that require a “gun log” and then a “disposition log”?
And wouldn’t it be necessary to make sure that receivers on both ends of that transaction are also not “prohibited persons”.
Don’t blame you one bit.
Theirproperyt, yes. But that fact does NOT provide them the right to deprive your temporary RESIDENTS of their right to arms. When someone rents a space from you, that is in effect their own private residence. HUD used to prohibit firearms owned lawfully by folks renting homes from them Many simply moved out, but one guy sued.. and the court determined HUD did NOT have the power to deny the right to arms to their residents. Both are rental housing, same policy should apply.
That’s one thing. But to have such a policy and NOT have it a friendly convenient reasonable process is beyond nuts. The “process is the punishment” screams loudly here.
Guns are prohibited in courthouses. OK fine. Sceurity and all, I sorta get it. When I show up at the courthouse there is a manned security checkpoint. EVERYONE must stop and submit to checking, sorta similar to TSA charade, but a WHOLE lot more friendly. When I reach the insoecting officer I simply quietly and firkly infirm him I have a handgun to check”. He says “follow me”, takes me back around the checkpoit, outside the same door I just used to enter, another ten feet or so, then hands me a key on a largish numbered fob. I find the locer with that number on the frint, open it, unholster my “friend” and lay him down inside that locker on a nice section of carpet. I then take my spare mag and drop it next my “friend”. I then close the locker door, pop the key in MY pocket. The whole lrocess takes less than three minutes extra time. I then returh and [ass the security check, and am INSIDE the courthouse. When I am leaving, my business concluded, I walk out the exit door, take a quick left over to te locker less than twelve feet away, take out my key open the corresponding locker, slip my “friend” back into his proper space, drop the mag into my correct pocket, step back in through the main entry door and hand the key on its fob to the nearest security guard. I tell him “thanks a lot I appreciate what you folks do”. The FRIENDLY officer will most times look me square in the eye, extend his hand and shake mine, and let me know he appreciates me and is happy to serve me
This hotel need to take a lesson from a local county sheriff. .
Tionico,
Sounds like you live in America. I mean, the “real” America.
I live in Northern Nevada. My courthouse doesn’t have security and allows open carry. It’s the first place I’ve lived that anybody can freely walk in and out of multiple doors to the courthouse.
I’m going to SHOT for the first time this year… it should be interesting in multiple ways…
Someone mentioned Northern Ireland above. The sectarian violence ended there when significant numbers of people on both sides got together and told both groups of thugs (and the Marxists on one side), that they weren’t gonna put up with it anymore. They were gonna cooperate with the authorities and there weren’t going to be any more “contributions to the cause”. And they did exactly that. I expect there were a few unpublicized “examples”, but when the good people peached on the culprits and the money dried up it didn’t take too long for peace to break out.
It’d be nice if we could do the same in much less time than the Irish did. I fear we have too many pols and power brokers with a vested interest in the status quo and the hope that they’ll win in the end.
WR Moore,
What you wish for may come true. Leftists are wimps. They can act strong, because those of us on the right are VERY tolerant, and not very violent. If we ever get violent, the Left will quickly get scared, and back down, and hide.
Have you ever noticed that very few people are willing to criticize Islam? That’s because they hear of critics getting their heads cut off. In other words, Muslims get respect, because they can be violent. They have a reputation for being violent.
I was told the anti-Viet Nam War protests stopped because some blue collar workers got violent with the protestors. Before that, the protestors were never harassed.
Then again, it may be that the Left has a plan. They may want the Right to become violent, so they can paint the Right as dangerous extremists who need to be disarmed. My guess would be that George Soros would think like that. Get us to over-react, then claim we must be disarmed in order to keep the public safe. That strategy worked on January 6th, 2021.
Two reasons?
My wife and I love Shot Show but saw our last just before Covid. Flying is no longer a fun thing for us. Thanks for the video. We will enjoy shot on YouTube.
Everyone I know that has gone to the SHOT SHOW has come back afflicted with the SHOT SHOW CRUD.
That’s enough to make me stay away. I wish the NFR was still in Oklahoma City.
The SHOT Show has previously been held in Orlando, Florida, New Orleans, Louisiana, and other cities in the US, but has only taken place in Las Vegas since 2010. The Sands Expo, which was renamed the Venetian Expo in 2021, is the current venue, and the SHOT Show is contracted to remain there until 2027
Contracted = $$$$$
I am wondering what to do if x-ray technology becomes less expensive, and concealed carry guns can be discovered by security when gun owners walk into a business more often. Normally, I am against open carry. I believe it should be legal, but not practiced. My biggest fear is an open carrier being disarmed while he is busy paying for something. However, if our hidden guns can be “seen,” then we can either avoid those businesses, or open carry.
Vegas casinos have been working on similar technology for years, usually involving microwaves. The issue is that a transmission strong enough to be useful at any distance is strong enough to be dangerous at lesser distances, as well as giving LOTS of false positives.
SHOT used to alternate annually between Orlando and Las Vegas. Orlando – actually, the “Orange County Convention Center” because it’s in Orange County, not the City of Orlando – has 7 million square feet of convention space, just over 2 million of which is exhibit floor space, in 2 buildings across the street from each other with shuttle service between them. 30 years ago there were more hotel rooms in the Orlando-Orange County area than NYC, and a lot more have been built since then. Incidentally, permitted carry is legal in both convention center buildings and the last time I was in one there was no “gun check procedure” (security is provided by the Orange County Sheriff’s Office). But that was several years ago and O-town has had a commie pinko mayor ever since – Buddy Dyer – BUT the convention center buildings are in Orange County, not the City of Orlando so the city has no say in the matter.
2009 was the last SHOT show held in Orlando, and the last one I attended. I’ve been to Vegas numerous times – back when COMDEX was a real thing – and haven’t had any reason to go back since then so I’ve never attended SHOT in Vegas. IIRC, after 2009 the SHOT promoters asked show attendees whether they preferred the alternating city thing or keep it in Vegas and their opinion was “keep it in Vegas.” Sounds like a self-inflicted wound to me.
They’ve been doing this to the attendees of the Black Hat Security Conference for years. Including searching rooms while the guests were elsewhere. That’s why a lot of attendees decided they could just watch the videos instead of attending in person.
Although, he doesn’t mention alcohol and intoxication. His video indicates him and his buddies get hammered while in Vegas. If this is the case:
He broke a conceal carry rule. Can’t conceal if your intoxicated:
May I carry my loaded and concealed firearm into a bar or other drinking establishment? There is nothing in state statute that prohibits permit holders from being in a bar with a concealed firearm. However, it is illegal to be intoxicated and in possession of a firearm.
Or file a felony theft complaint.
I dont blame you, no gunowner deserves to be harassed.
After watching the video, I have to wonder if the hotel security is incompetent or intentionally obstructionist to gun owners? Is that the standard method in all LV or just that one? It does dawn that lawyers might have had a hand in it.
Totally agree. If there’s no contract between SHOT and Vegas, they need to move. NOW! There’s gotta be a gun friendly venue somewhere large enough to host it. It won’t have the gambling and other “attractions” of Vegas but ya havta make some sacrifices for the greater good. Why spent mega bucks in some place that doesn’t want you? Your money maybe, but not you and what you represent.
Miami?
Mr. Ayoob:
Please correct me if I’m wrong, but I thought that when you rented a hotel room, much like renting an apartment, that your Constitutional rights remained valid, and that the rental space for which you paid becomes, at least for the paid rental period, your home. I thought that even police or other law enforcement had to get a warrant with which to execute a search (unless you gave them permission to enter) absent any so-called “exigent circumstances”.
Has this been reversed? Are landlords (or hotel clerks) now allowed entry (forcible or under threat of force) to occupied rental properties without warrants, or even “just cause”?
If not, what legal fiction do they have to hide behind? Why does this not open them up to massive lawsuits?
That is not the case unless state law specifically declares that to be the case. Hotels are private property. Guests agree to their terms when renting a room. Those terms are pretty wide open within the boundaries of state law.
Most, if not all, major hotels on the strip are anti-gun, as are all Hilton properties and I believe all Marriott properties. The big difference is that Vegas hotels have the funds for technology and AI to identify firearms.
Blackwing1,
I don’t know about hotel rooms, but I know about renting apartments. The law depends on the state. Some states say landlords must allow tenants to exercise their Second Amendment rights, and some states say landlords can prohibit guns on their private property.
In the 2021 legislative session, the casino industry attempted to pass a bill that would have made carrying a gun in a casino a criminal offense rather than something enforced via the trespass law as is normally the case in NV and many other states. It failed when the local BLM affiliate and the police union both testified against it. I have to assume that the heavy-handed casino security response is their attempt to use the trespass law against legal gun carriers.
Another reason to avoid Las Vegas is that it is a criminal offense to carry a gun, even with a permit, in the non-secure part of the airport. This is a relic of the times before state level preemption passed.
Even my state of FL has that restiction in the non-sterile terminal area as i understand it.
Fortunately, it is a minor issue for me personally. I virtually never go in the terminal unless I am a passenger myself. The rare exception would be someone needing help in the terminal (a child, someone with special needs and such).
Florida:
790.06
(12)(a)14. The inside of the passenger terminal and sterile area of any airport, provided that no person shall be prohibited from carrying any legal firearm into the terminal, which firearm is encased for shipment for purposes of checking such firearm as baggage to be lawfully transported on any aircraft. $790.06(12)
Infuriating.
Good reason to never go back unless they change the location. I have seen this video before and it’s infuriating that a bunch overweight, incompetent rent a cops can wield this much weight. Pun intended. I’ve been there once myself and that’s enough.
I still do not understand why SHOT is in Vegas.
It seems to me that finding an alternate venue such as Texas or Florida will be a great way to demonstrate that this kind of behavior will not be tolerated.
“Generat[ing] over $200 million in economic impact and bring[ing] over 55,000 visitors to Las Vegas”
Hit them in the wallet, and they will either change their behavior, or, suffer the consequences of their actions.
Breaking and maintaining the three cardinal rules of stupid 24 hours a day, Vegas itself is no place for me.
There are actually 4 rules of stupid but Vegas breaks all of them.
The 4 rules of stupid are literally the entire purpose of Vegas.
Sadly, I have to travel to the Venetian annually for a work event. NV does not recognize my state’s permit. I have to go unarmed. Steel body pens are about the best I can do. Maybe a fully ceramic knife with zero metal parts.
You can put a good enough edge on a glass-filled high density plastic knife.
It won’t keep it, but it will do the job for a single-use emergency.
Wow.
I had heard of something like this before. Maybe it was the same case. If it was, I don’t recall seeing the video. The video drives it home
I have stayed at the Venetian on occasion, spent good money in their restaurants & stores and even attended a destination wedding at the property once while staying there.
Though I am not a Las Vegas frequent visitor, I will not give them another dollar until they change their attitude and policies.
Same with all of Las Vegas, it seems.
If I go again, I will check out Trump’s place, avoid the city or not go at all.
It is sad, but I believe it is another example of someone wanting to achieve a good result, but not able to execute the logistics. Following all of the actions taken from the video you can see there is widespread uncertainty and a lack of knowledge on how to execute the program. (Whatever the program might be.) I cannot believe they even allowed the video in a “secure area”. A program that was suppose to enhance security actually weakened security. I would not feel secure staying in such a facility. I would shudder thinking of what the response time would be if there really was a security problem that required quick response.
With the thorough internet coverage of the SHOT Show, I am somewhat surprised it is still so well attended.
Easy solution as Mas pointed out. Boycott SHOT Show and be vocal about why. Mr. Reeves did an exceptional job documenting his experience. I guess the first question to ask a venue is their gun carry policy. If it is draconian, reserve space elsewhere. X is a good platform for this. I’m sure SHOT organizers would be interested.
I used to look forward to the day when I would qualify to become an attendee at the SHOT Show. It was last year when I first realized that, even if that day comes, I won’t go — not if it’s in Vegas. I can’t remember for sure, but I think what prompted that conclusion was an article about a hotel in TX, with an account of an incident similar to that of the Venetian. The same article broached SHOT Show challenges. It mentioned the “there isn’t another venue big enough” problem. Out of curiosity, I spent a few hours doing research and chasing rabbits. I remember concluding, “There are opportunities here.” Opportunities for a new corporation to court the SHOT Show, and build a hosting venue. Opportunities for a new trade show to compete with SHOT. “The main thing is to remember to keep the main thing the main thing.” I submit that SHOT admin needs to put that reality back into the center of their bulls-eye. If they don’t, I look forward to supporting their competition.
Thanks for the heads up.
I wonder if he dropped off his bags when he checked in and then went to the casino or bar instead of going to the room accompanied by his bags. If I had a firearm in my bag, I would stay with that bag until we got to the room and the bellhop left. Then it would stay on me until I checked out. Maybe I’m wrong, but I feel he was a little loosey goosey in firearm security.
Agree
As you conclude – simply wear your concealed firearm to be able to continuously exercise your Second Amendment rights while attending Shot. I would simply recommend verbally spreading the word. Otherwise, only God knows how much money, time, and effort it would take in legal action to up-end the presumably existing unwritten agreement between the casino, or casinos, and the local politicians.
My guess is that your unfortunate experience of being on the wrong side of this coin is the result of an under-the-table, intentionally secret political agreement between the casino, or casinos, and the local politicians. My guess is that you experienced the wrong side of the existence of the crafted work-around the hard way. And I could be entirely wrong, too. I’ve never been to Shot. I’ve never been to Vegas.
Mas,
I think it’s high time Shot Show moved to Texas. I mean seriously, with Dallas, Houston and most especially San Antonio, we more have the room and we’re a massively gun friendly state. Hell, Greg Abbott (RINO that he is) would love to get the political credit for bringing it to the Lone Star State. Even uber-blue Austin would probably take it, due to the massive influx of income to the city it would mean. Put a bug in someone’s ear, tell them to come to Texas.
I find it hard to believe that any of these people honestly believed that their draconian actions were actually making the premises the least bit safer. If they did, I’d “feel safer” if they were all forced to take a remedial class in logic.
Well-worded
Looks like it it time to move the Shot Show to Orlando in GUN FRIENDLY FLORIDA. ya know just saying.
Everything overpriced in LV. No thanks.
Damned good reasons to not go.
GLDwight
SHOT SHOW leadership
Vegas makes us look like we are more interested in partying then firearms. There are plenty of cities that can host this event. If you were really smart switch cities each year in order to expose cities to 2A activities and financial reward responsible communities
You are doing the right thing, Mas. Hit them in the wallet.
I have heard about groups of people who move to rural areas, in order to get away from Democrats. After a few years, Democrats start moving into their neighborhoods, and ruining everything.
We are two nations, and we need to separate peacefully, before violence breaks out. I don’t mean a civil war, but violence like we used to see in Northern Ireland and the Balkans. We don’t even need to form two nations, we just need to keep birds of a feather together, and keep the Dodo birds away from us.
On my PLACES TO NEVER GO list, guess who just earned their top spot?
A) If a hotel searched my luggage without my permission I would immediately check out.
B) If they refused to cancel all charges I would immediately call my credit card company and stop payment.
C) I would call the local police and find out if searching baggage without permission and/or removing the gun was legal. It could be construed as exactly what any burglar or baggage thief does. I don’t care what their motive was.
D) Yes, the hotel has a right to set their own policies, but in my opinion they have no right to search baggage without notice, nor any right to take the gun without notification of their policy when making the reservation, and making that notification in BIG BOLD RED LETTERS, not buried in the small print.
E) Screw them. This would be the last time I stayed there. Period.
You should have taken your bags, checked out and taken your gun…and then posted the most scurrilous review everywhere imaginable. Then consult an attorney.
I had previously seen Mr. Reeves’ video and was offended by how he was treated. I vowed never to stay in that hotel.
In this case, a half-dozen visibly armed hotel security rousted a guest from his room at 11 PM without apparent probable cause and without articulating reasonable suspicion, stood him humiliatingly in his boxers while they searched his room without a warrant while menacing him with implicit threat of force and expulsion from his lodging in the middle of the night, and then found nothing incriminating. This behavior borders on aggravated assault.
It would have been nice if he had checked out of the hotel right then. Then he should have sued them for relocation hotel costs and theft of the night’s sleep he had already paid for, as well as pain and psychological suffering from standing in front of a bunch of armed strangers in an unclothed state.
Now I think I’ll just totally avoid Las Vegas. The SHOT Show would be well advised to take their business elsewhere.
Didn’t BOTH ends of that exchange constitute a “transfer” and require the appropriate paperwork? NONE of which was done, thus making these illegal transfers?
hmmm
That is my read of NV law which has one of those Bloomberg universal background check laws. Requires an FFL to bless it.
“Both ends of that exchange…” in the above, refers to the Jim Reeves video where The Venetian Hotel took his guns, then at the end of his stay gave them back. Wouldn’t that require a “gun log” and then a “disposition log”?
And wouldn’t it be necessary to make sure that receivers on both ends of that transaction are also not “prohibited persons”.
Don’t blame you one bit.
Theirproperyt, yes. But that fact does NOT provide them the right to deprive your temporary RESIDENTS of their right to arms. When someone rents a space from you, that is in effect their own private residence. HUD used to prohibit firearms owned lawfully by folks renting homes from them Many simply moved out, but one guy sued.. and the court determined HUD did NOT have the power to deny the right to arms to their residents. Both are rental housing, same policy should apply.
That’s one thing. But to have such a policy and NOT have it a friendly convenient reasonable process is beyond nuts. The “process is the punishment” screams loudly here.
Guns are prohibited in courthouses. OK fine. Sceurity and all, I sorta get it. When I show up at the courthouse there is a manned security checkpoint. EVERYONE must stop and submit to checking, sorta similar to TSA charade, but a WHOLE lot more friendly. When I reach the insoecting officer I simply quietly and firkly infirm him I have a handgun to check”. He says “follow me”, takes me back around the checkpoit, outside the same door I just used to enter, another ten feet or so, then hands me a key on a largish numbered fob. I find the locer with that number on the frint, open it, unholster my “friend” and lay him down inside that locker on a nice section of carpet. I then take my spare mag and drop it next my “friend”. I then close the locker door, pop the key in MY pocket. The whole lrocess takes less than three minutes extra time. I then returh and [ass the security check, and am INSIDE the courthouse. When I am leaving, my business concluded, I walk out the exit door, take a quick left over to te locker less than twelve feet away, take out my key open the corresponding locker, slip my “friend” back into his proper space, drop the mag into my correct pocket, step back in through the main entry door and hand the key on its fob to the nearest security guard. I tell him “thanks a lot I appreciate what you folks do”. The FRIENDLY officer will most times look me square in the eye, extend his hand and shake mine, and let me know he appreciates me and is happy to serve me
This hotel need to take a lesson from a local county sheriff. .
Tionico,
Sounds like you live in America. I mean, the “real” America.
I live in Northern Nevada. My courthouse doesn’t have security and allows open carry. It’s the first place I’ve lived that anybody can freely walk in and out of multiple doors to the courthouse.
I’m going to SHOT for the first time this year… it should be interesting in multiple ways…
Someone mentioned Northern Ireland above. The sectarian violence ended there when significant numbers of people on both sides got together and told both groups of thugs (and the Marxists on one side), that they weren’t gonna put up with it anymore. They were gonna cooperate with the authorities and there weren’t going to be any more “contributions to the cause”. And they did exactly that. I expect there were a few unpublicized “examples”, but when the good people peached on the culprits and the money dried up it didn’t take too long for peace to break out.
It’d be nice if we could do the same in much less time than the Irish did. I fear we have too many pols and power brokers with a vested interest in the status quo and the hope that they’ll win in the end.
WR Moore,
What you wish for may come true. Leftists are wimps. They can act strong, because those of us on the right are VERY tolerant, and not very violent. If we ever get violent, the Left will quickly get scared, and back down, and hide.
Have you ever noticed that very few people are willing to criticize Islam? That’s because they hear of critics getting their heads cut off. In other words, Muslims get respect, because they can be violent. They have a reputation for being violent.
I was told the anti-Viet Nam War protests stopped because some blue collar workers got violent with the protestors. Before that, the protestors were never harassed.
Then again, it may be that the Left has a plan. They may want the Right to become violent, so they can paint the Right as dangerous extremists who need to be disarmed. My guess would be that George Soros would think like that. Get us to over-react, then claim we must be disarmed in order to keep the public safe. That strategy worked on January 6th, 2021.
Two reasons?
My wife and I love Shot Show but saw our last just before Covid. Flying is no longer a fun thing for us. Thanks for the video. We will enjoy shot on YouTube.
Everyone I know that has gone to the SHOT SHOW has come back afflicted with the SHOT SHOW CRUD.
That’s enough to make me stay away. I wish the NFR was still in Oklahoma City.
The SHOT Show has previously been held in Orlando, Florida, New Orleans, Louisiana, and other cities in the US, but has only taken place in Las Vegas since 2010. The Sands Expo, which was renamed the Venetian Expo in 2021, is the current venue, and the SHOT Show is contracted to remain there until 2027
Contracted = $$$$$
I am wondering what to do if x-ray technology becomes less expensive, and concealed carry guns can be discovered by security when gun owners walk into a business more often. Normally, I am against open carry. I believe it should be legal, but not practiced. My biggest fear is an open carrier being disarmed while he is busy paying for something. However, if our hidden guns can be “seen,” then we can either avoid those businesses, or open carry.
Vegas casinos have been working on similar technology for years, usually involving microwaves. The issue is that a transmission strong enough to be useful at any distance is strong enough to be dangerous at lesser distances, as well as giving LOTS of false positives.
the masks alone would have sealed the fate…
Mas, Sorry to write you here, but it is more convenient. See https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTnfjxJzw0s for fyi to Mag-20.
SHOT used to alternate annually between Orlando and Las Vegas. Orlando – actually, the “Orange County Convention Center” because it’s in Orange County, not the City of Orlando – has 7 million square feet of convention space, just over 2 million of which is exhibit floor space, in 2 buildings across the street from each other with shuttle service between them. 30 years ago there were more hotel rooms in the Orlando-Orange County area than NYC, and a lot more have been built since then. Incidentally, permitted carry is legal in both convention center buildings and the last time I was in one there was no “gun check procedure” (security is provided by the Orange County Sheriff’s Office). But that was several years ago and O-town has had a commie pinko mayor ever since – Buddy Dyer – BUT the convention center buildings are in Orange County, not the City of Orlando so the city has no say in the matter.
2009 was the last SHOT show held in Orlando, and the last one I attended. I’ve been to Vegas numerous times – back when COMDEX was a real thing – and haven’t had any reason to go back since then so I’ve never attended SHOT in Vegas. IIRC, after 2009 the SHOT promoters asked show attendees whether they preferred the alternating city thing or keep it in Vegas and their opinion was “keep it in Vegas.” Sounds like a self-inflicted wound to me.
They’ve been doing this to the attendees of the Black Hat Security Conference for years. Including searching rooms while the guests were elsewhere. That’s why a lot of attendees decided they could just watch the videos instead of attending in person.
Although, he doesn’t mention alcohol and intoxication. His video indicates him and his buddies get hammered while in Vegas. If this is the case:
He broke a conceal carry rule. Can’t conceal if your intoxicated:
May I carry my loaded and concealed firearm into a bar or other drinking establishment? There is nothing in state statute that prohibits permit holders from being in a bar with a concealed firearm. However, it is illegal to be intoxicated and in possession of a firearm.
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