Today, supposedly, a grand jury convenes in Missouri to examine the facts surrounding the death of Michael Brown at the hands of FPD officer Darren Wilson, to determine if an indictable crime has been committed. One talking head on TV even said that hearsay would be permitted there, which if true is nothing less than a travesty.
The grand jury review itself, it would seem, is coming awfully early. The general public does not realize how long it takes to complete a homicide investigation. The toxicology screen on the deceased, which can be a critical factor, may or may not have been completed yet, but to the best of my knowledge such results have not yet been released to the public.
Members of the grand jury will be under tremendous social and political pressure to indict. The state’s own governor has, incredibly, called for “vigorous prosecution.” Damn shame he didn’t have the integrity to call for “vigorous investigation” instead. One should not be convicted before trial in the Governor’s Mansion instead of in a courtroom.
The smell of mob rule is growing stronger, and more fetid.
Also today, Attorney General Eric Holder is expected to be on the ground in Ferguson for investigative purposes. Many pundits expect him to visit with the family of the deceased; certainly, there’s nothing wrong with that.
But I sincerely hope that the AG, our nation’s chief law enforcement officer, will visit the family of the injured officer as well.
As to the hearsay that may be permitted at the hearing, I suspect they are referring to the statement or testimony of Officer Wilson about the incident, should he decide to testify. No attorney hear, so I stand ready to be corrected.
I would imagine that what the left wants is a law that prevents self defense against black males. I know that sounds crazy, but its not hard to imagine in the America of 2014.
I would imagine that what the left wants is a law that prevents self defense against black males. I know that sounds crazy, but its not hard to imagine in the America of 2014.
I would imagine that what the left wants is a law that prevents self defense against black males. I know that sounds crazy, but its not hard to imagine in the America of 2014.
My first thoughts when the autopsy drawing came out depicting the wounds to the attacker’s right arm indicated that the officer must be right handed and shooting under duress.
My first thoughts when the autopsy drawing came out depicting the wounds to the attacker’s right arm indicated that the officer must be right handed and shooting under duress.
Don’t hold your breath waiting for Holder to visit the injured officer or the officer’s family. They are not “my people.”
Don’t hold your breath waiting for Holder to visit the injured officer or the officer’s family. They are not “my people.”
Race baiters unite and converge. The facts be damned…the Dems remand.
So, so typical and sickening. Shame on all of us.
Race baiters unite and converge. The facts be damned…the Dems remand.
So, so typical and sickening. Shame on all of us.
Race baiters unite and converge. The facts be damned…the Dems remand.
So, so typical and sickening. Shame on all of us.
If it was not so serious, it would be hilarious that “black leaders in Missouri” have demanded that St. Louis County Prosecutor Bob McCulloch be recused from participation in this case because “McCulloch’s deep family ties to law enforcement would affect his impartiality”. By that same logic, it would make sense that Eric Holder should be recused from any participation in the case due to his obvious lack of impartiality toward the police and Officer Darren Wilson in particular.
If it was not so serious, it would be hilarious that “black leaders in Missouri” have demanded that St. Louis County Prosecutor Bob McCulloch be recused from participation in this case because “McCulloch’s deep family ties to law enforcement would affect his impartiality”. By that same logic, it would make sense that Eric Holder should be recused from any participation in the case due to his obvious lack of impartiality toward the police and Officer Darren Wilson in particular.
Looks like the governor is already convinced that the police officer involved in this shooting acted improperly, calling for vigorous “prosecution” instead of “investigation” as Mas correctly stated.
That said, let’s get a little technical here. Unless the suspect took those cigars from the clerk under threat, the crime is not an armed robbery, but a theft, a petite retail theft to be more technically correct. By shoving the store clerk, Brown committed a simple battery, and depending on what Brown said to the clerk, assault could be added too, although the suspect’s superior size and threatening demeanor would support that anyway. If it could be proven that the suspect entered the store with the intention of committing a crime. he should be charged with retail burglary also. If Brown and his fellow gangbanger had talked about committing a crime at the store, they could be charged with conspiracy too, but that’s stretching it a bit.
Lots of statements are suspect in this situation. One witness stated that the police officer was in his patrol car when he grabbed Brown by the neck which supposedly started the physical altercation. Considering that Brown stood 6′ 4″ tall, it’s doubtful the cop could reach up that high while seated in his vehicle to even touch the suspect’s shoulder much less his neck.
Maybe this officer possessed that much fabled “Long Arm of the Law”?
The captain of the Missouri State Patrol, Ron Johnson was praised for his handling of the crowd soon after he was put in charge of the situation. It was obvious from the start he was on the side of the mob. I watched an early press conference he was in, where after he was introduced, Johnson immediately walked away from the podium and microphone to be among the crowd. This was obviously done to pander to the mob as no one could now hear him without the microphone amplifying his voice, and he had to return to the podium for the rest of the event. Besides, allowing the mob to loot and vandalize businesses during the night without any police intervention is not the way to properly handle potentially explosive situations as it emboldens the bad guys to do even more violent things.
Maybe the governor should call up Arizona sheriff Joe Apaio and put him in charge to clean up this huge mess. This can only happen in a pot induced dream though.
Looks like the governor is already convinced that the police officer involved in this shooting acted improperly, calling for vigorous “prosecution” instead of “investigation” as Mas correctly stated.
That said, let’s get a little technical here. Unless the suspect took those cigars from the clerk under threat, the crime is not an armed robbery, but a theft, a petite retail theft to be more technically correct. By shoving the store clerk, Brown committed a simple battery, and depending on what Brown said to the clerk, assault could be added too, although the suspect’s superior size and threatening demeanor would support that anyway. If it could be proven that the suspect entered the store with the intention of committing a crime. he should be charged with retail burglary also. If Brown and his fellow gangbanger had talked about committing a crime at the store, they could be charged with conspiracy too, but that’s stretching it a bit.
Lots of statements are suspect in this situation. One witness stated that the police officer was in his patrol car when he grabbed Brown by the neck which supposedly started the physical altercation. Considering that Brown stood 6′ 4″ tall, it’s doubtful the cop could reach up that high while seated in his vehicle to even touch the suspect’s shoulder much less his neck.
Maybe this officer possessed that much fabled “Long Arm of the Law”?
The captain of the Missouri State Patrol, Ron Johnson was praised for his handling of the crowd soon after he was put in charge of the situation. It was obvious from the start he was on the side of the mob. I watched an early press conference he was in, where after he was introduced, Johnson immediately walked away from the podium and microphone to be among the crowd. This was obviously done to pander to the mob as no one could now hear him without the microphone amplifying his voice, and he had to return to the podium for the rest of the event. Besides, allowing the mob to loot and vandalize businesses during the night without any police intervention is not the way to properly handle potentially explosive situations as it emboldens the bad guys to do even more violent things.
Maybe the governor should call up Arizona sheriff Joe Apaio and put him in charge to clean up this huge mess. This can only happen in a pot induced dream though.
So I guess Jesse and Al will be going directly to Salt Lake City next to investigate the shooting there.. Oh, black cop, white kid….
Paul
So I guess Jesse and Al will be going directly to Salt Lake City next to investigate the shooting there.. Oh, black cop, white kid….
Paul
So I guess Jesse and Al will be going directly to Salt Lake City next to investigate the shooting there.. Oh, black cop, white kid….
Paul
So I guess Jesse and Al will be going directly to Salt Lake City next to investigate the shooting there.. Oh, black cop, white kid….
Paul
This is my take on this.
Officer Wilson suffered a severe injury by a person who just committed a felony being a strong arm robbery, the mind set of Michael Brown I am sure was that he was not going to jail for that robbery in regardless of what the officer was aware of, obviously a violent struggle ensued which resulted in a blown out eye socket and probably stunning Officer Wilson who was in fill uniform next to his marked patrol car, his assailant Michael Brown was much larger and stronger than he was making this an uneven battle, the officer was alone and has split seconds to react to what is happening. Officer Wilson decided to escalate to use of deadly force to prevent further severe bodily harm and stop the threat. The first rounds were ineffective and did not stop him the head shot did as stated by Dr. Button from second autopsy. Those rounds were more likely fired in rapid succession which take Nano seconds.
Now take into account Officer Wilson patrolled the streets of Ferguson a town with an estimated 80 percent African American population for six years prior to this deadly force encounter without incident, that is powerful. Also there has never been an Officer in the City of Ferguson who has ever killed anyone according to news sources.
Lastly the obvious favoritism shown to one side and disgusting politics that has been involved in the interference of tipping the scales of justice in this particular case is deeply troubling…..
This is my take on this.
Officer Wilson suffered a severe injury by a person who just committed a felony being a strong arm robbery, the mind set of Michael Brown I am sure was that he was not going to jail for that robbery in regardless of what the officer was aware of, obviously a violent struggle ensued which resulted in a blown out eye socket and probably stunning Officer Wilson who was in fill uniform next to his marked patrol car, his assailant Michael Brown was much larger and stronger than he was making this an uneven battle, the officer was alone and has split seconds to react to what is happening. Officer Wilson decided to escalate to use of deadly force to prevent further severe bodily harm and stop the threat. The first rounds were ineffective and did not stop him the head shot did as stated by Dr. Button from second autopsy. Those rounds were more likely fired in rapid succession which take Nano seconds.
Now take into account Officer Wilson patrolled the streets of Ferguson a town with an estimated 80 percent African American population for six years prior to this deadly force encounter without incident, that is powerful. Also there has never been an Officer in the City of Ferguson who has ever killed anyone according to news sources.
Lastly the obvious favoritism shown to one side and disgusting politics that has been involved in the interference of tipping the scales of justice in this particular case is deeply troubling…..
@Paul Edwards
Poor shooting? He had just been nearly knocked out with a fractured orbital and who knows what other blows, and put 6 rounds on target at a charging aggressor including 2 headshots.
I wish all cops were such poor shots.
@Paul Edwards
Poor shooting? He had just been nearly knocked out with a fractured orbital and who knows what other blows, and put 6 rounds on target at a charging aggressor including 2 headshots.
I wish all cops were such poor shots.
@Paul Edwards
Poor shooting? He had just been nearly knocked out with a fractured orbital and who knows what other blows, and put 6 rounds on target at a charging aggressor including 2 headshots.
I wish all cops were such poor shots.
@Paul Edwards
Poor shooting? He had just been nearly knocked out with a fractured orbital and who knows what other blows, and put 6 rounds on target at a charging aggressor including 2 headshots.
I wish all cops were such poor shots.
@Paul Edwards
Poor shooting? He had just been nearly knocked out with a fractured orbital and who knows what other blows, and put 6 rounds on target at a charging aggressor including 2 headshots.
I wish all cops were such poor shots.
One of my biggest fears, one which I’ve been long predicting and preparing for, is that they will unleash a torrent of “justified” racial mob atrocities against Mr.and Mrs. “middle America” which will not be tolerated well by them. When those two air masses get to rubbing against each other, there’s going to be a storm the like of which we’ve not seen for a long time. If it goes to small town folks who’ve been preparing for some sort of undefined crisis for a long time, it’s gonna take root and get ugly, quick and long. Once that faucet is opened, it will not be easily shut off. Government oppression or race riot, ain’t going to matter much to the average man on the street when they’re protecting their lives and family. Folks are at a breaking point.
One of my biggest fears, one which I’ve been long predicting and preparing for, is that they will unleash a torrent of “justified” racial mob atrocities against Mr.and Mrs. “middle America” which will not be tolerated well by them. When those two air masses get to rubbing against each other, there’s going to be a storm the like of which we’ve not seen for a long time. If it goes to small town folks who’ve been preparing for some sort of undefined crisis for a long time, it’s gonna take root and get ugly, quick and long. Once that faucet is opened, it will not be easily shut off. Government oppression or race riot, ain’t going to matter much to the average man on the street when they’re protecting their lives and family. Folks are at a breaking point.
One of my biggest fears, one which I’ve been long predicting and preparing for, is that they will unleash a torrent of “justified” racial mob atrocities against Mr.and Mrs. “middle America” which will not be tolerated well by them. When those two air masses get to rubbing against each other, there’s going to be a storm the like of which we’ve not seen for a long time. If it goes to small town folks who’ve been preparing for some sort of undefined crisis for a long time, it’s gonna take root and get ugly, quick and long. Once that faucet is opened, it will not be easily shut off. Government oppression or race riot, ain’t going to matter much to the average man on the street when they’re protecting their lives and family. Folks are at a breaking point.
One of my biggest fears, one which I’ve been long predicting and preparing for, is that they will unleash a torrent of “justified” racial mob atrocities against Mr.and Mrs. “middle America” which will not be tolerated well by them. When those two air masses get to rubbing against each other, there’s going to be a storm the like of which we’ve not seen for a long time. If it goes to small town folks who’ve been preparing for some sort of undefined crisis for a long time, it’s gonna take root and get ugly, quick and long. Once that faucet is opened, it will not be easily shut off. Government oppression or race riot, ain’t going to matter much to the average man on the street when they’re protecting their lives and family. Folks are at a breaking point.
One of my biggest fears, one which I’ve been long predicting and preparing for, is that they will unleash a torrent of “justified” racial mob atrocities against Mr.and Mrs. “middle America” which will not be tolerated well by them. When those two air masses get to rubbing against each other, there’s going to be a storm the like of which we’ve not seen for a long time. If it goes to small town folks who’ve been preparing for some sort of undefined crisis for a long time, it’s gonna take root and get ugly, quick and long. Once that faucet is opened, it will not be easily shut off. Government oppression or race riot, ain’t going to matter much to the average man on the street when they’re protecting their lives and family. Folks are at a breaking point.
If Officer Wilson was injured with a broken eye socket, seeing Michael Brown turn and start charging at him could be interpreted as Brown coming back to “finish the job”. Thanks to Randy for the Tueller Drill pointer. Brown appears to be larger in physical size than Officer Wilson, and capable of further physically incapacitating the already injured Officer Wilson. The store video definitely showed that Michael Brown had a propensity for violence.
What if Officer Wilson chose to use a taser or pepper spray? Would he be able to stop the charge as effectively as with his service firearm? Would anyone already injured by an attacker gamble with his life that he could permit the assailant to close the standoff distance and subdue him with less lethal means? That is giving the attacker a second chance to further injure or kill you! I, for one, wouldn’t take that chance, and in a rapidly deteriorating situation would opt for the choice that assured my survival.
If Officer Wilson was injured with a broken eye socket, seeing Michael Brown turn and start charging at him could be interpreted as Brown coming back to “finish the job”. Thanks to Randy for the Tueller Drill pointer. Brown appears to be larger in physical size than Officer Wilson, and capable of further physically incapacitating the already injured Officer Wilson. The store video definitely showed that Michael Brown had a propensity for violence.
What if Officer Wilson chose to use a taser or pepper spray? Would he be able to stop the charge as effectively as with his service firearm? Would anyone already injured by an attacker gamble with his life that he could permit the assailant to close the standoff distance and subdue him with less lethal means? That is giving the attacker a second chance to further injure or kill you! I, for one, wouldn’t take that chance, and in a rapidly deteriorating situation would opt for the choice that assured my survival.
If Officer Wilson was injured with a broken eye socket, seeing Michael Brown turn and start charging at him could be interpreted as Brown coming back to “finish the job”. Thanks to Randy for the Tueller Drill pointer. Brown appears to be larger in physical size than Officer Wilson, and capable of further physically incapacitating the already injured Officer Wilson. The store video definitely showed that Michael Brown had a propensity for violence.
What if Officer Wilson chose to use a taser or pepper spray? Would he be able to stop the charge as effectively as with his service firearm? Would anyone already injured by an attacker gamble with his life that he could permit the assailant to close the standoff distance and subdue him with less lethal means? That is giving the attacker a second chance to further injure or kill you! I, for one, wouldn’t take that chance, and in a rapidly deteriorating situation would opt for the choice that assured my survival.
If Officer Wilson was injured with a broken eye socket, seeing Michael Brown turn and start charging at him could be interpreted as Brown coming back to “finish the job”. Thanks to Randy for the Tueller Drill pointer. Brown appears to be larger in physical size than Officer Wilson, and capable of further physically incapacitating the already injured Officer Wilson. The store video definitely showed that Michael Brown had a propensity for violence.
What if Officer Wilson chose to use a taser or pepper spray? Would he be able to stop the charge as effectively as with his service firearm? Would anyone already injured by an attacker gamble with his life that he could permit the assailant to close the standoff distance and subdue him with less lethal means? That is giving the attacker a second chance to further injure or kill you! I, for one, wouldn’t take that chance, and in a rapidly deteriorating situation would opt for the choice that assured my survival.
If Officer Wilson was injured with a broken eye socket, seeing Michael Brown turn and start charging at him could be interpreted as Brown coming back to “finish the job”. Thanks to Randy for the Tueller Drill pointer. Brown appears to be larger in physical size than Officer Wilson, and capable of further physically incapacitating the already injured Officer Wilson. The store video definitely showed that Michael Brown had a propensity for violence.
What if Officer Wilson chose to use a taser or pepper spray? Would he be able to stop the charge as effectively as with his service firearm? Would anyone already injured by an attacker gamble with his life that he could permit the assailant to close the standoff distance and subdue him with less lethal means? That is giving the attacker a second chance to further injure or kill you! I, for one, wouldn’t take that chance, and in a rapidly deteriorating situation would opt for the choice that assured my survival.
In the intervening days, how many black men have been killed by other black men in Chicago, Detroit, Cleveland, Milwaukee, Atlanta…….? Perhaps my hearing loss keeps me from hearing holder and Obama whining about those deaths.
In the intervening days, how many black men have been killed by other black men in Chicago, Detroit, Cleveland, Milwaukee, Atlanta…….? Perhaps my hearing loss keeps me from hearing holder and Obama whining about those deaths.
In the intervening days, how many black men have been killed by other black men in Chicago, Detroit, Cleveland, Milwaukee, Atlanta…….? Perhaps my hearing loss keeps me from hearing holder and Obama whining about those deaths.
In the intervening days, how many black men have been killed by other black men in Chicago, Detroit, Cleveland, Milwaukee, Atlanta…….? Perhaps my hearing loss keeps me from hearing holder and Obama whining about those deaths.
In the intervening days, how many black men have been killed by other black men in Chicago, Detroit, Cleveland, Milwaukee, Atlanta…….? Perhaps my hearing loss keeps me from hearing holder and Obama whining about those deaths.
Hello Mas – Unfortunately, no less than the U.S. Supreme Court in Costello v. United States 350 U.S. 359 (1956) held in favor of allowing a prosecutor to present hearsay evidence to the grand jury. Although most courts permit prosecutorial presentation of hearsay evidence to grand juries, some jurisdictions have restricted this general rule. Not sure what the practice is in Mo. Several state legislatures have attempted to diminish the use of hearsay in state grand jury proceedings. Congress has also considered reformation of the federal grand jury to limit use of hearsay by prosecutors. Officer Wilson will be subject to all the slings and arrows that can be hurled.
Hello Mas – Unfortunately, no less than the U.S. Supreme Court in Costello v. United States 350 U.S. 359 (1956) held in favor of allowing a prosecutor to present hearsay evidence to the grand jury. Although most courts permit prosecutorial presentation of hearsay evidence to grand juries, some jurisdictions have restricted this general rule. Not sure what the practice is in Mo. Several state legislatures have attempted to diminish the use of hearsay in state grand jury proceedings. Congress has also considered reformation of the federal grand jury to limit use of hearsay by prosecutors. Officer Wilson will be subject to all the slings and arrows that can be hurled.
Hello Mas – Unfortunately, no less than the U.S. Supreme Court in Costello v. United States 350 U.S. 359 (1956) held in favor of allowing a prosecutor to present hearsay evidence to the grand jury. Although most courts permit prosecutorial presentation of hearsay evidence to grand juries, some jurisdictions have restricted this general rule. Not sure what the practice is in Mo. Several state legislatures have attempted to diminish the use of hearsay in state grand jury proceedings. Congress has also considered reformation of the federal grand jury to limit use of hearsay by prosecutors. Officer Wilson will be subject to all the slings and arrows that can be hurled.
Hello Mas – Unfortunately, no less than the U.S. Supreme Court in Costello v. United States 350 U.S. 359 (1956) held in favor of allowing a prosecutor to present hearsay evidence to the grand jury. Although most courts permit prosecutorial presentation of hearsay evidence to grand juries, some jurisdictions have restricted this general rule. Not sure what the practice is in Mo. Several state legislatures have attempted to diminish the use of hearsay in state grand jury proceedings. Congress has also considered reformation of the federal grand jury to limit use of hearsay by prosecutors. Officer Wilson will be subject to all the slings and arrows that can be hurled.
Hello Mas – Unfortunately, no less than the U.S. Supreme Court in Costello v. United States 350 U.S. 359 (1956) held in favor of allowing a prosecutor to present hearsay evidence to the grand jury. Although most courts permit prosecutorial presentation of hearsay evidence to grand juries, some jurisdictions have restricted this general rule. Not sure what the practice is in Mo. Several state legislatures have attempted to diminish the use of hearsay in state grand jury proceedings. Congress has also considered reformation of the federal grand jury to limit use of hearsay by prosecutors. Officer Wilson will be subject to all the slings and arrows that can be hurled.
@ Sian:
If you will re-read what I said, I used the term “appearantly”, after seeing the drawing from the autopsy.
Either you are misinterpering me, or you too, are leaping to your own conclusions?
After having his skull broken, I too, agree his shooting was great, considering the circumstances.
Paul
@ Sian:
If you will re-read what I said, I used the term “appearantly”, after seeing the drawing from the autopsy.
Either you are misinterpering me, or you too, are leaping to your own conclusions?
After having his skull broken, I too, agree his shooting was great, considering the circumstances.
Paul
@ Sian:
If you will re-read what I said, I used the term “appearantly”, after seeing the drawing from the autopsy.
Either you are misinterpering me, or you too, are leaping to your own conclusions?
After having his skull broken, I too, agree his shooting was great, considering the circumstances.
Paul
@ Sian:
If you will re-read what I said, I used the term “appearantly”, after seeing the drawing from the autopsy.
Either you are misinterpering me, or you too, are leaping to your own conclusions?
After having his skull broken, I too, agree his shooting was great, considering the circumstances.
Paul
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