Our last blog entry brought up lots of interesting comments and info. Let’s delve into some questions.
Why would the cops hold him down for so long? Perhaps because, as even the state’s expert witnesses and cops admitted, sometimes dangerous men in custody feign compliance so they can lull the arresting officers off guard and attack them.
But why so long after the other officer found no pulse? First, it apparently wasn’t as long as some think. See Andrew Branca’s second-by-second analysis, here: https://lawofselfdefense.com/chauvin-trial-the-big-lie-of-the-3-minute-plus-restraint-while-pulseless/. In that same analysis, Branca explains why he thinks Chauvin might not have heard Officer Keung say that he couldn’t find a pulse.
In any case, not being able to find a pulse (Keung was apparently trying at the wrist, for a radial pulse) does not create certain knowledge that the heart is not beating. Note that the officer did not say “He has no pulse,” he said “I can’t find (a pulse).” I was an EMT (lapsed now), but I can recall trying to get a radial pulse and not finding any even though the person was talking to me and fully alive and conscious, and I bet you can too. It’s particularly true when the patients have thick wrists, as the muscular George Floyd apparently did.
I keep hearing, Why didn’t they show more concern when he said he couldn’t breathe? First off, it’s human nature that one someone demonstrably lies to us from the get-go, we don’t assign much credibility to anything he says thereafter. That may go double for cops. Floyd was on the ground of his own volition, and early in the encounter he had shouted that he couldn’t go into the back seat of the squad car because he had claustrophobia – after the cops knew he had been sitting behind the steering wheel of a car for at least twenty minutes before they arrived.
“If he can say ‘I can’t breathe’ it means he really can breathe” is an issue that has been focused on since the death of Eric Garner in police custody in New York City a few years ago. What a lot of people – including a lot of cops – don’t understand is that “I can’t breathe” is layman-speak for “I am in respiratory distress.” Among other life-saving procedures police are taught is the Heimlich Maneuver for people who are choking on food, and early in that training they are taught to see if the patient can speak; if so, his or her trachea is not completely blocked. This could have led the cops to doubt Floyd’s claim. In any case, though, it was these cops who called the ambulance in the first place, and who probably believed paramedics were going to arrive any second.
I hear, “But kneeling on him like that is deadly force.” No, not categorically. I’ve been knelt on that way teaching prone handcuffing and restraint, and have done so on others. I told my wife at the beginning of this trial that if I was an expert witness for the defense, I’d lay down on the courtroom floor in front of the jury box and have Chauvin himself kneel on me exactly as depicted in the videos, for the same full length of time, keeping up a running dialogue on my breathing and what I was feeling the whole time. It turns out that conservative commentator Stephen Crowder actually did that, on video, here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O88knFix2fo .
Reader comments are invited. I know people who think the murder verdict was correct, and people who think it should have been manslaughter or reckless homicide, and people who think it should have been not guilty. And I know cops in all three categories of opinion.
No unbiased view of the actual evidence in the case would have led to charges. What happened in this trial is an obscenity.
I agree with your characterization of the trial. Too often lost in the conversation is the concept of “beyond reasonable doubt.” From what I know (as one who has NOT seen all the evidence), I could not have voted guilty, given the autopsy. I speak as one who served on a jury in a rape case with video taken just before and after, DNA on clothing, but a victim with incomplete memory (she was very drunk). Verdict was guilty, but I had to remind two jurors the standard was “beyond reasonable doubt” not “beyond ALL doubt.” One can hope that Chauvin will get something close to justice on appeal before he is murdered in prison.
Absolutely! One of the worst travesties of justice in American judicial history. He was sacrificed on the altar of America’s new Woke religion.
To my understanding the determining factor was that Chauvin was doing something illegal and as a result that caused Floyd to die. In other states for murder charges you have to prove intent but in MN apparently you don’t. Is this the only defense then – Chauvin’s knee was not illegal? If that’s true then to my understanding both murder charges are not valid.
You also need to prove that Chauvin even caused (or was a primary cause) of death for Floyd. This itself is in dispute, as the state witness who performed the autopsy testified under cross that if he found Floyd dead in his apartment with any one of the three medical conditions Floyd had (other than the whole knee thing), he would have ruled that that condition had killed him without a second thought.
It was a two-pronged defense claim.
First, that Chauvin’s knee was not illegal. The defense argued that “kneeling restraint” was lawful, was reasonably warranted under the circumstances, and was at the time an approved procedure (that was changed a month after Floyd’s death; it is no longer approved or taught by MPD).
Second, that Chauvin’s knee was not the cause of Floyd’s death. The defense argued that Floyd had quite a number of other physical conditions that likely contributed far more to his death than Chauvin’s knee could have. (I won’t rehash them all here.) Plus, the lack of bruising in the area where the knee was resting implies — though they didn’t emphasize it as much as I might have — that Chauvin wasn’t kneeling on Floyd so much as kneeling over him and lightly resting his knee on Floyd’s back/shoulder.
Heck, the state’s own medical expert witness testified on cross-examination that if a body appeared on his table with any one of Floyd’s medical conditions and nothing else, that the condition would be listed as cause of death. It’s reasonable to consider that a body appearing with all of them might have died of a combination of those conditions, completely independent of any police interaction.
But, the expert testified on re-direct (and one of the more ridiculous moments of the trial, IMHO), not George Floyd. None of those pre-existing medical conditions that could have killed anyone else could possibly have killed him. No, sir, not even the three-times-fatal amount of fentanyl. Floyd was Superman, apparently, and he died of Chauvin’s kryptonite knee and nothing else.
Take a few moments and actually READ the State statutes under whcih Chauvin has been charged. They all pose a rather high bar for conviction, a bar clearly not met by the prosecution. I’ve seen some plausible evidence of serious jury intimidation from multiple sources. They thought they were voting for peace in their towns, not to acquit a cop doing exactly what he was taught to do in cases of opiate overdose. Which this one clearly was. Floyd would have been dead, time of death coming within a very few minutes of when he did die, because of his 4X lethal dose of fantanly combined wiht his 2+X lethal dose of meth. The cops could have completely let him go, and simply followed him till he dropped of his own accord. Insted they tried to save his life by getting the medics there with their antidote for the fentanyl.
The alternate juror is reported to have said that she would have found Chauvin guilty in order to “..avoid all the rioting..”.
So much for paying attention to the evidence and applying the law. Mob rules.
I am no fan of Chauvin, but I would not find him guilty of killing St Floyd. That felon killed himself. With an overdose of Fentanyl. Regards 18DAI
It’s been my long standing belief that most folks have no understanding of the dynamics of violence in the real world due to long exposure to the fairy tales perpetuated by the entertainment industry. Unfortunately, there are no scriptwriters in the real world.
Having been both the handcuffee and handcuffor numerous times in yearly re-qualification in prone handcuffing, I agree with Mas’s comments on how powerful a demonstration by the defense could have been. But, we can coulda/woulda/shouda from now till the cows come home and it won’t change anything with respect to the verdict.
You don’t want me trying to find a pulse if someone’s life depends upon it.
Frankly, I don’t believe a fair trial could have been conducted in that venue if Lady Justice herself had been standing in the court room. Or, possibly more to the point, in the jury room.
Live demonstration (against a foam dummy) was reportedly extremely compelling in the George Zimmerman trial. Particularly defense attorney Mark O’Mara, in his dress suit, on the floor straddling the dummy and showing the jury what a MMA-style “ground and pound” actually looks like, so they could see what kind of assault Trayvon Martin was inflicting on George Zimmerman, and why Zimmerman couldn’t reasonably get away safely and felt the need to go for his gun.
Alltrue and valid, EXCEPT for the “minor detail” that Saint Tray happened to discover George’s handgun on accident, then began to attempt to seize it, declaring he was going to kill his victim with it. It was not until that point in the fracas Mr. Zimmerman realised he had NO HOPE of surviving if he did not fight mightily to keep the gun out of his assailant’s control. It was during the tussle for control of the handgun that it discharged, killing Saint Tray almost instantly. could even have been HIS finger on the trigger.
@Tionico: Quite right, and thank you for the correction.
I think that there is a good chance the verdict may be set aside on appeal due to: failure to sequester the jury, the stated concern of at least one juror of consequences of a not guilty verdict, and the interference of politicians including, for cripes sake, the President. Hopefully Chauvin will testify if he gets a new trial and he can get funds for a better defense-but don’t get caught contributing to that!
The defense should have asked for a non-jury trial.
Probably. (Basically, yes, I agree with you)
However, what are the odds that judge would have not bent to the mob. He surely knew the consequences (pig head and more).
I wouldn’t even doubt this is all staged to create the possibility of a successful appeal. A jury trial (in my uneducated legal perspective) in this specific case might well create added opportunity for successful appeal.
Eric-excellent point. Too emotional a case to chance a jury. I wonder why Nelson passed on that.
Example of false compliance is the hospital shooting this week in Columbus, Ohio during a patient transfer.
I wasn’t there so I lay no blame on either the officer or deceased. My time of violence was two tours on the ground 66,67,68. Taking a life is far easier than apprehending in my opinion. Having said that once the person is subdued further violence or reprisal for the months or years you have lost friends to this fight is not acceptable. Charge the cops standing around as well as the civillian who supplied the drugs. The courts punish not the enforcers. Just one old mans opinion on life. I am not a cop but I raised one who is now a Lieutenant. We certainly don’t agree on this subject.
And how about those in the crowd threatening and such?
It is one thing to record, request, point out or even demand care. It is another to distract, disrupt and threaten …
Who was it suggesting a polite approach? Walk up to the officer not directly involve in the restraint, offer your medical expertise to help monitor the suspect. Drop a subtle hint or two and maybe a slightly less subtle hint the officers need protection also (legally, optics wise as well?).
And thanks for your service back then and now.
Dad was a vet of WWII. A Marine in the Pacific.
And dad was also a MARS radio operator State side during the later years of the US involvement in VN. He ran phone patches and ‘traffic’ (messages) between State sidefamily/friends and active duty military in VN and other areas of deployment from about 1969 or 1970 to beyond 1980.
I suspect from what little I have learned here, you are also an active member of society as dad was.
Based simply on my casual review of the evidence in this case, there was no way that “Guilt beyond a reasonable doubt” was established. There was abundant cause for reasonable doubt” in most facets of this case. This was a witch hunt from the word go. The whole process has been a huge miscarriage of justice and a “politically motivated” abuse of our system. It’s sad and VERY FRIGHTENING to see our courts being turned into Kangaroo courts.
It’s hard to convey to a hostile and ignorant public what they believe they seen and already formed an opinion on especially when their favorite brand of tyrant is speaking for or against the hot button issue of the moment. And there’s another ten thousand pound elephant in the room…the police are not always right and when they are wrong they have a chorus of people on their side blindly defending them even when their supporters see video that they automatically form an emotional, not always a logical, opinion on. I spent the first couple of years with the last couple of years with the NYC Housing Police and then the NYPD after the “hostile takeover” and that’s when I seen a huge problem with the job and how the bad apples were blindly defended bar none….and then Abner Louima came along and I had enough of the corruption at the sake of innocent lives… we were, in no uncertain terms, in muster told what to believe or else and no one wanted to jeopardize their pay, benefits and retirement…. a very few did and left for better jobs. However policing and the people that do the job are tremendously different between big cities and smaller cities and towns and Derek Chauvin is a prime example, he’s that cocky cop that OD’d on self induced perceived power and hero indoctrination he gets from the bosses and the public. And even still I don’t believe he was guilty of anything except he was the wrong race at the wrong time caught on camera… I knew he was never getting a fair trial and he didn’t. If the police want to change they need to do a few things namely get behind ending qualified immunity, if a citizen accidentally kills an innocent citizen during self defense that citizen will be prosecuted and so should the police, and train their officers better and for the love of God stop hiring 20 something year old college educated idiots from doing a man’s job that requires real world experience, raise the age to 30 and hire people who are born and definitely raised in your city/town/county etc. ! Those people know the lay of the land and what the community is all about and can deal with them on a familiar level. The beat cop, especially on foot posts, was always effective because he interacted with people daily on their level, that’s not always possible but it can be made to work. Both sides are responsible for escalating almost every situation from the moment of contact….no one will ever win! If the police want to come out on top and they should they need to get ahead of what they should see coming and put it right back on the community’s that are also part of the problem to fix themselves…don’t kneel for these domestic terrorists either. Nothing can be fixed in a few paragraphs but like freedom it isn’t easy or free.
“and then Abner Louima came along…”
I’m glad to be reminded of that incident. Even 60 Minutes – considering the same evidence available to the prosecution – concluded the second officer convicted in the case was innocent. Not merely “not guilty” but completely innocent, not involved, sitting in a car outside during the event. No matter; he went to prison.
Widely in the media, every officer in or near the building was declared complicit. Somehow officers far removed must have known what one man was doing in a bathroom. I don’t recall anyone defending that one man for the terrible crime that he did.
I feel that when the deceased starts saying he can’t breathe before he even arrives to the police car, it’s hard to believe him when he states that while prone as well. Opioids are well known to suppress respiration, that’s a fact. I can’t take Vicodin for legitimate medical reasons because I find my self not feeling like I can breathe. And that’s just an authorized amount of a lesser medication. I don’t think Chauvin should have been found guilty of anything, and I think, if justice is found in this country, he will be acquitted on appeal. I’m also very upset with our “ruling class” for politicizing a delicate situation, and in some cases fanning the flames of violence. Shame on them and they should be held accountable.
Mas, thank you for sharing the Crowder video, it’s an excellent example of how we should question all narratives, regardless of source.
As I’ve said before, Does anyone believe an intimidated jury can render a fair decision?
I’m still struggling to understand why he didn’t take his chances with a bench trial. I think he would have had a better chance of not being sacrificed to the masses. But who knows, the judge in that case let some stuff happen that I couldn’t believe.
Mas,
All good comments, observations, and rebuttals. However, the overriding question is where was Defense Attorney Nelson in all this? Yes, he was only one person against a prosecution dream team, but what you describe above was the crux of Chauvin’s defense, and the pillars upon which is acquittal rested. What happened?
It was like Nelson relied on his very successful cross of the State’s use of force witnesses (very effective cross, according to Branca’s running commentary) and perhaps didn’t feel it necessary to do the things you described. To my knowledge, there was never a presentation of the training material on “Excited Delirium” presented to the jury that would help justify the officer’s actions. The courseware that would document what the officers were trained, and what they knew at the time of the arrest. As a result, Not only is Chauvin going to jail for a long time, but it sure looks like he’ll have the company of the other three officers as well.
One question I did not get answered during Legal Insurrection’s post verdict Zoom meeting was whether Chauvin had the option of waiving his trial by jury of his peers, and instead asking for bench trial that would require Judge Cahill to render a verdict based on the evidence. This sounds extreme, but it worked for ex-STL police officer Jason Stockley in 2017. After Michael Brown/Ferguson, there was no way that Stockley could get a fair, impartial trial by jury the first degree murder charge of shooting Anthony Lamar Smith. I believe the same was true for Chauvin and the other officers in Minneapolis. Was a bench trial not an option for Chauvin? Stockley asked for bench trial, and St. Louis Circuit Judge Timothy Wilson returned a not guilty verdict. If I were the other officers, I would be seriously thinking about asking for a bench trial.
Thanks!
Richard, it’s been my experience that both sides need to agree for a bench trial, but I don’t know if that’s the case in Minnesota or not.
F. Lee Bailey could have won this case hands down despite, and because of, any and all political or Mob Media prejudice or interference. Again, any video is somewhat subjective due to point of view factors, and to the threat of editing or Computer Generated Imagery (CGI) altering evidence. Kinesiologists and expert grapplers can better explain the restraining position into which George Floyd had gotten himself. Exposing scapegoating and railroading by the MN system is a decisive factor in exculpating the essentially victimized officers. I’d get a smarter attorney, too. LEOs also must UNITE and run for office where possible.
This conviction will get overturned on appeal, not that it will be any comfort to Officer Chauvin. His life is destroyed regardless.
As mentioned in a previous backwoodshome post, the jury that was not sequestered during the trial had the choice of a guilty conviction to appease the mob or an acquittal and risk getting murdered in their own home.
A particular California representative worked the Minnesota mob into a frenzy encouraging riotous behavior if there was an acquittal was also unbelievably stupid. Jury and witness intimidation by someone who took an oath to support and defend the US Construction and it wasn’t her first offense.
Prayers to Officer Chauvin and his family. In any case they need them.
Had they put Floyd up at the Hilton until he was ready to get in the police car he would have died exactly as he did, when he did.
In retrospect perhaps Chauvin held GF down a bit longer than necessary but it neither caused nor contributed to GF’s death.That was all GF’s doing.
Some good points.
I for one always thought Chauvin looked a bit like a deer caught in the headlights. Not frightened. Just stuck, knowing what he knew (and not all that he ‘knew’ was correct … that rescue would show up soon, for example. And more).
As to qualified immunity. Well, I know of a young SWAT sniper who was sentenced to 7 years in jail (negligent homicide I think). He shot his SWAT commander in the head during a drill. (Don’t get me going on that one, what with the gun control bs & only police & military should have guns crap, smdh. I have a couple great stories on all that. (Reality bites the ignorant real good.))
As I understand it (in my humble, non lawyerly (aka legally ignorant) way), qualified immunity doesn’t protect negligent or illegal actions (of police, politicians or others) any more than the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act (PLCAA) protects gun manufacturers from faulty design, negligence in manufacturing or other illegal activities in manufacturing.
Corrections or differing opinions to correct or adjust my perspective always welcome.
One thing I certainly agree with is de-escalation is MIA far too often. And that is what I told a deputy sheriff recently waiting to get my ID, Permit and gun back after ‘eating dirt’ for a few minutes recently. Seems a neighbor called the sheriff about a ‘break in across the street (Me, another neighbor and the property owner. There is a history between the two neighbors including a report he had broken into the house behind he … that was open & conductingan estate sale! Anyway, sheriff, guns drawn & pointed in both situations.).
The neighbor was upset & cussing )turns out he has played basketball with the deputy in discussion here. And he didn’t try to de-escalate. He went straight to handcuff sand antagonistic threats of arrest (just the loud upset neighbor). My wife calmly told the neighbor who told her I was at gunpoint “he knows what to do”. She replied her husband, then in handcuffs, didn’t know how to calm himself. Anyway, I had a calm & polite discussion with the deputy about the humanity (on both sides of the badge), de-escalation and more. We parted peacefully and I had a truly’brotherly’ chat with another deputy as I walked back toward my house. The next day, after he heard my calm and sarcastically and sadly humours thought that “Wonderful, he will be stupid, get shot at, they will miss him & hit me just behind.”, the neighbor came to apologize for his behavior & putting me at risk. I then had the opportunity to help him deal with PTSD and the de-escalationtalks (his history: EMT, grew up in bad neighborhood with bad experiences with cops, and recent ‘SWATing’ like event mentioned above).
It isn’t just blacks who get and need ‘the talk’. I got it (white male) from about age 10 & more than once. And we are never too old either (for first or repeat).
And like I told my neighbor. Most people are good & we never know when we might run into the other kind of people. But police often do know. They get a call saying here. Now. Come face the other kind. Or not so much warning but surprise … there it is and not just the same (ambush).
Reality sucks all too often. And we are all human. Breaks my hear.
Jeffery Epstein didn’t kill himself, George Floyd did. Makes us wonder…
Mas,
Your two articles on this case are a million times better than any reporting done by the mainstream media. Thanks!
If I was a cop I would not confront a black man. I would simply turn around, leave, and say, “I didn’t see anything.” Going into a black neighborhood? Forget about it. Even if I had to face unhinged white people, I think I might take a few steps back and let the situation play out without me getting involved. Better to be accused of playing it safe than to risk doing one little thing wrong these days. The Ferguson effect is simply a reasonable response to new precedents.
Roger, in the future, non-black and brown people will have two choices when confronted by a person who wants to harm or kill you and has the means to do so. You can allow yourself to become victim and crime statistic, or you can stop the attack with a weapon and be convicted of attempted homicide or murder depending on the outcome of the confrontation. Choose your poison. Maybe buy more life insurance to take care of the family in case you don’t want to spend the rest of your life in the big house after your certain conviction by an intimidated jury. And don’t hold your breath waiting for a pardon from our future leader, Aunt Kamala. 🙁
Tom606,
I agree with you. There may be a third defense for non-people-of-color, or should I say people of non-color? It is my understanding that in the United Kingdom, you can defend yourself, BUT ONLY IF YOU DON’T HARM THE ATTACKER. This would require the victim to be much stronger than the attacker. So, maybe potential victims should travel in groups of four or more, so they can restrain an attacker without harming him. You know, there is strength in numbers. (Also, my use of the word “him” in referring to the attacker in no way implies that the attacker can only believe that the pronoun “him” is the only one which may fit on that particular day. The Left has scientifically proven that gender is fluid and my vary from day to day, according to one’s mood.)
Yes, the party is just getting started with Biden. Kommie-la Harrasser will be the one to lead us to utopia.
Roger, maybe we should carry tranquilizer guns used to sedate and capture dangerous wild beasts for zoos. However, there’s always the possibility that a violent attacker may be allergic to the drug or he/she may be on narcotics which don’t mix well with the tranquilizer compound causing them to croak and you will be convicted of malicious homicide anyway. I’m just going to start carrying a big stout net with me.
@ Roger Wilco and Tom606 – While you may be joking about “harmless self-defense” and “tranquilizer guns”, your discussion is still symptomatic of the mindset of engaging with a “pseudo-reality” which ONE SHOULD NEVER DO. That is how “Useful Idiots” are created. By someone giving credence to the lies and distortions of the psychopaths who push a pseudo-reality.
Did you read the paper written by James Lindsay which I linked below? If not, let me quote one section:
“In the exact instant one becomes competent at spotting the lie-or, the network of lies-held in service of a constructed pseudo-reality and its social enforcement, one already possesses the necessary perspective to break the spell of the pseudo-reality in its entirety. This, knowing the cheat for what it is, more than any other thing, is how the strings of paralogic and paramorality are cut, and with them cut pseudo-reality will come crashing down.
This can only be done by learning enough to see the games, telling the truth, and refusing to be coerced or forced to participate in the increasingly hegemonic pseudo-reality before it claims totalitarian power. Speaking practically, there are two straightforward ways this can be done. One is to refute the pseudo-reality, and the other is to reject it.”
Molding your behavior to “conform” to the current pseudo-reality constructed by the American Left is the downward path to hell. I will not follow it.
I both refute and utterly reject the pseudo-reality (the false utopian dream-world) that they have constructed. I do not play by the sick and perverted rules of their game.
I live in the real world; not their make-believe world of fluid genders and systemic racism. Knowing the criminal dangers of the real world, I carry the means for effective self-defense. These means are not just harsh words or tranquilizer guns!
As a resident of the real world, rather than their pseudo-world, I will take whatever steps are required to defend myself if I am threatened by death or great bodily harm.
I advise you to do the same and to give no credence, even jokingly, to the false web of lies and distortions constructed by the American Left. The only way that we, The American People, will ever break their evil spell of lies and deceit will be by rejecting their warped pseudo-world ENTIRELY and by insisting on a return to reality.
TN_MAN:
I appreciate your always wise advice, so have decided not to carry an extremely loud whistle to use in case a vicious goblin attacks me. That person may have sensitive ears and a loud noise at close range may damage his/her auditory system, resulting in loss of hearing. The whistle blower can then be charged with causing the attacker’s deafness and costs of treatment could run into the millions of dollars, not to mention psychological pain and suffering which has no monetary limit.
What I’ve taken from this is that we’re likely to see a retrial in the coming months/years. I’m preparing for extended civil unrest as a result. This case and the attendent manufactured naratives isn’t going away and when this inevitably comes up for a second round, expect the fomented emotion to be much much worse.
People obviously differ about the evidence and the tactics. However, one thing is clear to me. The jury didn’t decide the case on the evidence. They weren’t out long enough to work through all the ins and outs of the use of force evidence and the medical evidence which was rather complex. So they had made their decision before they went in the jury room or perhaps before they were selected as jurors. The second is clearly improper. As for the first, it is possible that they behaved properly, making their decision during the course of the trial. However, that would seem to be appropriate only if the prosecution’s case was a slam dunk which is wasn’t. So you are left with juror misconduct or intimidation.
The man did not offer any resistance. No reason to kneel on his neck.
As for floyds claustrophobia being dismissed out of hand because he was in the front seat. There are a lot of people who don’t like being in enclosed spaces without easy exit – such as a locked police cruiser.
There are some instances where it is not necessary to show deadly force. Passing a bad $20 is not one of those.
Kim, do you seriously think police in this case used deadly force over a $20 bill? I take it you did not observe Mr. Floyd’s several minutes of strenuous physical resistance to arrest? Please review the readily available body camera footage of those minutes and get back to us.
You may not have viewed Branca’s posted police videos, running a total of about an hour as I recall. George Floyd put up a lot of stalling and physical resistance. Any drug abuser who is at O.D. Is going to be frantic and capable of about anything. Thus the necessary restraints. Remember that drug addicts doubly fear jail and will die to stay out of it.
I’m cranking up my old printer to make a bunch of phony $1000 bills. No reason to bother with low denomination stuff like $20s or $50s. If the racist cops hurt me, I and/or my family will get millions of dollars in settlements from the taxpayers – legally.
I’m not entirely in disagreement with Kim. I’m a psychiatric nurse and have some experience with restraints, holds, etc…plus the mechanics of breathing, of course.
Yes, there’s a big damn difference between driving a vehicle and get locked in the backseat of a police cruiser with the bars and all that. I feel my chest tightening just thinking about it!
I really think if Chauvin had put Floyd on his side, he wouldn’t be in this mess, even if Floyd had died. He would not have been convicted, we would have had a week of riots, then on with life.
But, with Floyd prone against pavement, with hands cuffed behind his back and hands held upward and pressed, held down at chest restricting the amount of air taking in, then the knee on neck compressing airway? Yeah. Not gonna end well. Add in the person in your custody is suspected of having some kind of medical event and isn’t put into the rescue position – that’s minimum care that was not provided…not a good look for Chauvin. It also really stood out that even after Floyd was dead and paramedics showed up, the force level did not change.
FYI, folks, it’s NOT difficult to tell when someone has died. I’ve been there and promise you will feel it. Don’t keep your knee on a dead person’s neck. That’s how so many people were able to paint Chauvin as indifferent to the life of the person in his custody at best and at worst seen as intending to kill Floyd.
Floyd’s blood oxygen saturation (on autopsy) was 98%. He did not suffer any lack of oxygen.
Chauvin is a Political Prisoner. Simple as that. He was guilty from day one even though
he isn’t in reality. Why?, Leftist politics. This whole trial was just a dog and pony show
for the sheeple who still believe hollyweird and MSN is real. Lady Justice is now a blind
whore. Those with the most money or political pull receive the most justice. With MSN
and our Left wing Politicos adjudicating Chauvin guilty from day one, thousands of $.$$
pouring in from the left to make it so, the blind whore turned a blind eye to justice and
he never had a chance.
Dano
Yes, the totalitarian Left, using tactics reminiscent of Stalin, can destroy just about anyone who gets on their radar at this point. This is especially true if you are an ordinary citizen who lacks the resources to fight them off.
Derek Chauvin had limited resources and his case made for really good BLM, Marxist propaganda. Therefore, (to borrow a line from a popular movie), he was “targeted for termination”. The same is true for Kyle Rittenhouse. He will be “targeted” as well.
Notice, however, that this is not necessarily the story with the McCloskey couple. They were fairly wealth and, likely, had pretty good political connections. They have managed to get the insane persecutor (excuse me, I mean Prosecutor) removed from their case. Their case has now been re-assigned to a Special Prosecutor who is a professional in the law. See this link:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/former-us-attorney-richard-callahan-appointed-to-serve-as-special-prosecutor-in-mccloskey-case/ar-BB1dYD3X
Want to bet that, after a suitable cooling off period (to allow this case to drift off of the public’s and the Left’s radar), this Special Prosecutor decides to drop the case without filing charges?
Being wealth and well-connected has always been a help in dealing with the justice system. You can talk all you want about Lady Justice being blind. Nevertheless, she has always worn a “G-String” in which the rich can stuff cash to buy her favors.
This has NEVER been more true than in today’s America where the rich, elite class run everything from the Government, to big business, to Hollywood, to education, big tech and the media. If you are rich and connected enough, like Hunter Biden, you can commit all kinds of crimes and never fear, for even one second, that the law will come after you to demand “Justice”.
If you want JUSTICE in America today, you better be prepared to “pony up” the cash to pay for it! They are not giving it away for free anymore despite the (increasingly theoretical) rights written down in the Constitution of the United States of America.
TN_MAN,
Great reply. If I am not mistaken, the Governor of Missouri did promise to pardon the McCloskeys if they were wrongly convicted by the insane persecutor. In today’s political climate, that is a gutsy move by the Governor. I would simply hope he would still be in office if the kangaroo trial ever took place.
TN_MAN:
The lawyer couple in St. Louis may have the financial means to defend themselves from the politically motivated and glorified shyster Gardner, but shadowy billionaire puppet master George Soros has even more money and political clout which the wealthy Socialist is using in his efforts to nullify the U.S. Constitution and destroy America.
Also, don’t forget George’s even richer buddies, Gates, Buffet, Bezos, Zuckerberg, Dorsey, and many other mega billionaires who are working on the destruction of our freedoms so they can rule us through their evil proxies, Crooked Joe and Aunt Kamala.
I watched the Crowder video and compared it side-by-side to the Floyd footage. One big difference is that Crowder was basically lying face-down, whereas Floyd was slightly turned so that he was leaning on his left arm. This changed the angle of the officer’s knee, placing it squarely on his SCM, the muscle in the neck directly above the corotid artery. If compressed for too long, this can cause someone to blackout. Further, it does indeed compress the trachea as well. Anyone who has ever seen TV wrestling knows about the “sleeper hold,” which is a real thing, incapacitating an opponent in exactly that way, although said hold avoids compressing the trachea. Bottom line: Crowder’s video adds nothing to the debate.
Show trials, such as the one we witnessed given to Derek Chauvin, are one symptom of a “mass insanity” movement.
Sadly, the naming of our species as “Homo Sapiens” (wise or intelligent man) is false. Our true designation ought to be “Homo Insanus” (insane man).
I say this because our species has a tragic and very dangerous tendency to be subject to “Mass Insanity” episodes. These episodes of mass insanity have occurred repeatedly throughout human history. In particular, they tend to account for those particularly bloody periods of human history where our species tends toward genocidal behavior. Humans truly are not yet a rational or “fully sapient” species.
These episodes of mass insanity tend to be based upon a “pseudo-reality” that is created and then expanded by people who are psychopaths. Psychopaths who reject the “reality” of the World, as it actually is, in favor of a pseudo-reality (or utopian dream-reality) of their own making.
If our species were truly rational, these psychopaths would be isolated and then be treated for their mental illness. Unfortunately, tolerant societies tend to allow these people to spread their delusions. This turns their individual mental illness into a form of contagious mass-insanity.
James Linsey has written a truly EXCELLENT article that explains, in detail, how this step from individual mental illness to contagious mass insanity occurs. His article is so, so, so important because we, The American People, are currently caught up in one of these highly-dangerous mass-insanity episodes. I grant that his article is a bit long-winded. Nevertheless, it provides great information as to how this type of mass-insanity operates.
I STRONGLY urge ever reader of this blog to read and, if necessary, re-read his article until his points become clear to you. Here is a link to his brilliant article:
https://newdiscourses.com/2020/12/psychopathy-origins-totalitarianism/
James Linsey is well worth reading regarding his explanations of politics and psychology. Noteworthy related news is that the mayor of Portland, Oregon is turning against the “useful idiots” that have been torching Portland for the last year or so. The mayor will have been feeling the heat of being removed by petition or replaced by election. One sure sign of doubtful thinking has been to invite all the street addicts in the country to camp in Portland. That might even be OK if Portland would provide full-scale mental and physical health care for the descending street addict “migrants” and their poor pets.
None of this matters unless you believe the locals on the jury were acting totally unbiased, especially after Harris’ threat.
He was already tried by nature of being a cop in that city. All that is left is execution.
BLM, not the Bureau of Land Management, will most likely recommend Chauvin be immediately executed by slow garroting followed by drawn and quartering before burning to discourage the racist police from viciously slaughtering millions of innocent people of color. Well, black and brown ones anyway, the other colors can fend for themselves.
I seriously doubt that the Mayor of Portland is turning against BLM and Antifa thugs. Just look at what he has said and done in the past. Keep an eye on the damage, arrests, charged, convicted, sentenced, and sentences completed.. He won’t be removed, and he was just reelected. When his time as Mayor of Portland is done the citizens will most likely have elected a more extreme left candidate, just like they almost did in the recent election. Portland, like many urban areas, is sufferring consequences. I have no doubt things will get worse in these Cities. One of the reasons is the embrace of the “reasoning” that reason, logic, truth and consequences are indicative of racism and privilege that can only be remedied through “equity” and not equality. This approach systematically establishes, on one hand, permanent, unredeemable sin and, on the other, permanent, endemic victemhood based solely on differing visual characteristics. It is slso a deliberate, coordinated assault on the use of higher functions of the human mind by Marxists as they try to destroy America. And it is pure evil.
As to former Officer Chauvin, I wasn’t on the jury. I did read the statues, and cannot see how they could have convicted for murder. I was confused by the defense, especially former Officer Chauvin not testifying in his own defense. I await the appeal to come. Sadly, it doesn’t matter, because every incident will be twisted, as we have seen recently.
Amazing that any American city can be allowed or even encouraged to become a place to be avoided by reasonable people. Let’s just persist in resisting the insanity. You never know when reason and right will break through. Even the most evil of people, no matter how wealthy, influential, or clever, eventually pass on.
The alternate denied bias or fear of rendering the “wrong” verdict with “fact check” journalists claiming her statements about such fears were misinterpreted.
In the interview, she’s also quoted as saying this:
“We did not identify ourselves amongst [sic] each other, so we did not say our names, occupations, or anything about our families.”
That is shocking. Why could that possibly be except for their fear of reprisal?
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