A LESSON FROM HAITI

1. Good point Mas

2. And the leftist democrats will never understand this, and will continue to pass registration and confiscation ‘laws’ like Illinois, California, NY, Colorado, …….
   They will continue to pass these, knowing that sooner or later, they will succeed with some of them. The Illinois registration law is still in effect.
   Why is that ?

   • “Leftist Democrats will never understand this.”
     Leftists understand this perfectly. They provoke chaos so that they can take control.

     • Exactly right, they understand this perfectly.

       By continuing to pass laws that hamstring normal citizens while empowering criminals, they create a class of dependent subjects who practically BEG for more, stronger government to control criminals and maintain order.

       It’s all about power. Leftists want it, and they understand that independent citizens are a hindrance — if not a roadblock — to getting it. Passing laws that turn independent citizens into dependent subjects is a necessary step to getting power.

     • Exactly. They know precisely what they’re doing and why, safe streets and homes are the last thing they want for us. But as uncle Mas has pointed out before, they have their own (armed) guards.

3. This brings to mind a saying from an old western, “pretty soon there won’t be enough good people to act as a jury to try the bad.” I’m beginning to sense that a profound reset is in the making.

4. I am not surprised at the foolish, anti-gun policy of Haiti. Just about all Governments, here in the 21st Century, would prefer to have their citizens disarmed. The fact that this means that the people are easy prey for criminals is a light matter, from the Government perspective, versus having an armed population. After all, an armed population might rise up and overturn the existing government! We can’t have that! (Horrors!). A long, extended, and steady list of robbery, murder, and rape victims is the “lesser evil”, than an armed population, from the Government perspective!

   Hell, even the Nation of Israel knows that!

   It also goes to show the resistance to the Supreme Court Decision that is still rampant across the land. Another Caribbean Island, besides Haiti, is Puerto Rico. Since Puerto Rico is a U.S. Territory, it should (in theory) fall under the U.S. Constitution. However, it doesn’t work out like that. See this link:

   https://www.loc.gov/item/global-legal-monitor/2023-01-29/united-states-puerto-ricos-supreme-tribunal-upholds-constitutionality-of-requiring-a-license-to-use-or-carry-firearms/

   Note that this tribunal, in Puerto Rico, handed down this decision AFTER the release of the Bruen Decision. Didn’t make any difference did it? It didn’t make any difference in Hawaii either. The Supreme Court will have to strike down a bunch more of these “heel-dragging” lower court cases before Bruen gets any respect.

   I hope that they get off their duffs and start doing it soon. We don’t need another long spell of these lower courts making up bad law. After Heller, the Supreme Court went on vacation, as far as the 2nd Amendment was concerned, and did not touch another 2A case for a decade. All the while, the lower courts were writing decisions that made Heller a “Dead Letter of the Law”. The same thing will happen again if the Supreme Court takes another long vacation, on the 2A, after Bruen.

   The firearm-prohibition mentality controls the minds of far too many judges that are sitting on the lower courts. These judges have shown a past practice and history of using any excuse, that they can dream up, to undercut and ignore the 2nd Amendment of the Constitution of the United States of America.

   You give an anti-gun judge an inch, and he will undercut the 2A by a mile!

   • Yes, you are absolutely right.

   • To be fair to Puerto Rico, SCOTUS didn’t strike down licenses to carry in Bruen; they struck down “good cause” rules that let authorities arbitrarily deny them.

     Puerto Rico — or any State in the Union — can require a license to carry a firearm and still comply with Bruen … as long as the licenses are “shall-issue” for all qualified (non-disqualified?) applicants and don’t require onerous fees or excessive (and expensive) training.

     Reading through your linked article, it doesn’t discuss what Puerto Rico requires in order to obtain a license to possess or carry a firearm. The decision apparently did find that Puerto Rico’s licensing rules are similar to those in several States — and I can’t fail to notice a few extreme 2A-averse names in the list, such as Massachusetts, New Jersey, and Hawaii.

     So the question is, does Puerto Rico’s licensing scheme meet Bruen‘s requirements? Probably not; it’s likely still very much “may-issue” (effectively “no-issue”, like Hawaii) and if so the decision to uphold it as-is will need to be appealed for reconsideration (also like Hawaii). Add it to the list of States and territories whose laws are being re-challenged and whose “questionable” decisions are being re-appealed.

     But to imply that Bruen struck down licenses to carry misstates the decision.

     (Also, Heller was decided in 2008, and McDonald followed in 2010, less than a decade. But I see your point: since McDonald 2A jurisprudence has been notably absent at SCOTUS.)

     • @ Archer – “…Heller was decided in 2008, and McDonald followed in 2010…”

       You are right about McDonald. I said that the SCOTUS took a 2A vacation after Heller. Actually, they did Heller (which only applied to Washington, D.C. at first) then they did McDonald to incorporate the 2A to the States under the 14th Amendment. Effectively extending Heller nationwide.

       Then, apparently exhausted by the effort to do both Heller and McDonald, they took their decade long vacation on the 2A and let the lower courts plow Heller asunder. Finally, their inaction became so embarrassing that they final took a case (Bruen) to perform some corrective action.

       However, despite this error in timing, my point (as you noted) is still valid. Any slackness in upholding Bruen will be seized by the anti-gun judges in the lower courts. In fact, we already have multiple decisions (such as Hawaii and Puerto Rico on “keep and bear” or in other courts on semi-automatic firearms and normal-capacity magazines) where the plows have been hitched to the mules and the zealots are busy plowing Bruen asunder.

       As for Puerto Rico’s weapons law, read this and see if you can spot any infringements that might violate the 2A:

       https://www.handgunlaw.us/documents/PuertoRicoWeaponsAct.pdf

       This is what the lower court upheld after Bruen. Although I will admit that, if one jumps through enough hoops and the moon and stars align just right, then one can (theoretically) obtain a weapons license in Puerto Rico for (possibly) up to two (2) firearms.

       P.S. – Also note that one condition, to obtain this license, is that one must not have associated with any group that is against the Government. Fits right in-line with my original comment (above) also – don’t ya think?

5. The DoD, ICE, and CBP are expecting refugees to start appearing on our shores at any time, and they admit that even one freighter of asylum seekers will overwhelm the system wherever it lands. (Which let’s face it, will probably be Florida.)

   How many people on those ships will be violent Haitian criminals posing as refugees? And with the breakdown of order in Haiti, will there be any reliable way to tell them apart?

   Or will Biden’s administration just shrug and say, “It’s Florida, let DeSantis deal with it until they can all be registered as Democrat voters”?

   ———
   And on that last note, if they do emigrate, stay, and become naturalized, will they then vote for the same policies that empowered the criminals and forced them to become refugees in the first place?

   • Called it: DeSantis: Law Enforcement Seized Boat of Haitians Who had Guns, Drugs, Night Vision Gear

6. As a Marine we were sent to Haiti in March of 1956. It looked as bad then as it does now.

7. I know firsthand from having been there that at least SOME private citizens are armed.. legally or otherwise I did not enquire. but I know some individuals had handguns. But, since it is illegal for them to have them, I am guessing few would use one except as a “do or die” option. And to.use them against the reigning thugs? Far better to simply avoid them altogether, though there is no question this is per THEIR choice. No civilian in his right mind wishing to live for very long would take it upon himself to go after the reigning thugs.

   a side note for Mas… I usually get these artlcles in your direct feed, by opening them and clicking oh the large type blue link headline. Today is twoce now that link has failed to work. O I cme directly through Backwoods Home to read it. Maybe something changed in the server? Both days the link in the Mas email notification was dead. Once you read this I”m fine wth you editing it out…

8. Multiple Democratic controlled cities have recently announced that they will no longer respond to certain 911 calls and that their police substations will not be manned during certain overnight hours. At the same time, they are using every available tactic to disarm their legal law-abiding citizens. Rest assured that, in the America of 2024, you are on your own and are wholly responsible for your safety and that of your loved ones. In addition, in many places if the police do respond they will be incompetent and make matters worse.

9. My first thought, when the embassy was evac’d, was if all the residents that were lynching criminals over the past year or so will be targeted. Similar to the “autodefensas” in Mexico that were just blogging about crime and the cartels bought up metadata and tracked them down. They’d basically kidnap them from their homes, chop off their tongues and hands, and dump them in the town square, alive, so they’d be a living example. Alot of them were just soccer moms and grandparents that just griped about crime. Pacification has a very serious connotation for those who what it means, and it works both ways too. Recently i ordered a coke while out with friends at a restaurant, they brought it to me in a glass bottle, i lost my appetite. Coke bottles were used to torture dissidents in latin america because their ubiquitous presence would help keep victims in fear after they were released.

   Speaking of power vacuums check out Pittsburgh PA new policing changes. No cops from 3am-7am, no response unless its an active in progress crime, up to 27 officers max on patrol at any given time, and a bunch of other dumb stuff. Its all over youtube.

   • … no response unless its an active in progress crime …

     And with so few officers on duty at any time, the odds that it’s still an “active in progress crime” when they (finally) show up is nil.

10. The environment hasn’t changed much in Haiti over the past few generations. Having experienced it first hand during the earthquake response in 2010. This is the result of Papa and Baby doc, widespread corruption and what is essentially an international welfare state. This all contributes to widespread societal instability. Rule of law, security, provision of essential services and infrastructure are largely absent. It is a sad state of affairs. Regarding the mass migration, that too was an outcome of the quake that was generally facilitated by the international relief community. This won’t be much different.

11. Haiti may not have a 2A but Haitians have the same natural rights as all humans. Of course, governments can and do suppress natural rights.

12. well, this may piss some folks off, but, who enforces the anti gun laws there vs here? the “trusted” fellas in uniform. our local LEO will assist the ATF in any scheme our government issues to remove guns from the law abiding, don’t believe me? look to Haiti and WHY the citizens are unarmed. i’m not afraid to say this, and i know several here INCLUDING our beloved Mas stands behind those wearing the uniform from local to federal agencies, but the guys in uniform are going to have to choose a side to stand on and NOT enforce unconstitutional written laws. remember the Sig-brace debacle?

    and epstein didn’t hang himself…

    • I don’t know that is fair to blame the police for the dysfunctional political culture here and elsewhere. Obeying illegal/unconstitutional orders isn’t a protected activity per Nuremberg. But there is also a problem when the police don’t obey the law. Consider the FBI acting as a law unto themselves. I could provide examples from virtually every country in the world given enough time.

      Seems that the issue is fixing the political culture.

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