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Massad Ayoob on Guns

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Massad Ayoob

YA CAN’T MAKE THESE FECES UP…

Friday, February 22nd, 2013

So, the man a heartbeat away from leading the Free World – and who has eagerly taken the point on gun prohibition for his Numero Uno – tells us we don’t need semiautomatic firearms to defend ourselves from home invaders because if we just have a double-barrel shotgun and fire it into the air with live ammunition, it will scare the bad guys off. (Scroll to the 6:20 mark)


Yeah, that’s it…hose out into the air and render empty and useless the only thing that can save your life from violent home invaders.  Ignore the fact that the ounce of lead you discharge with each pull of the trigger has got to come down somewhere…like a while back when a careless hunter emptied his muzzle-loader into the air, and the projectile came down and killed a teenage Amish girl far from the scene.

And, gee, if the purpose of defensive firearms is just to make noise guaranteed to scare violent, committed, homicidal criminals away, I guess all we need for ammo is blanks, huh?

Defending your home against (predictably multiple) home invaders with a two-shot weapon is rather like being forced into a boxing match alone against multiple opponents in the ring at once, and agreeing that you’ll stop punching after you’ve swung twice.  And if you’re going to just use it as a noisemaker, the way the VP supposedly told his wife to do, it follows both  your punches in that full-contact, bare-knuckle fight are gonna just have to be shadow-boxing “air punches.”

If our Vice-President has this to say about home defense, one has to wonder just how well-informed he is on other critical issues of the day.

My friend Dave Workman had this to say about Biden’s advice: http://www.examiner.com/article/biden-s-self-defense-advice-commit-a-crime?cid=db_articles .

The rush to gun prohibition is monumentally stupid, and the statement above by the White House “face of the (prohibition) movement” shows an appalling lack of knowledge by those driving the push to criminalize a huge percentage of our nation’s law-abiding citizenry.

Will the media make a mockery of Biden for his dangerously bad advice, the way they tried to do to Marco Rubio after he fumbled while reaching for a bottle of water when his mouth got dry during a speech?  Somehow, I’m not ready to bet the farm on that…

61 Responses to “YA CAN’T MAKE THESE FECES UP…”

  1. Judy G Says:

    And then…………… Is Mrs. Biden familiar with the shot gun and how it works? 🙂 Some women and 12 gauge (I’m one of them) don’t work well together!

  2. Drake Says:

    Obama Paying Union Members to Rally for NY SAFE Act

    Posted on February 24, 2013

    In a previous post, Nick talked about the “enthusiasm” gap between gun rights advocates and civilian disarmament proponents. Gun guys are fighting for their rights with passion, determination and, not unimportantly, strength of numbers. Professional gun grabbers may match the pro-2A side in terms of passion and determination, but they have nowhere near the number of committed supporters. Despite the slaughter in Newtown, a sycophantic press and Double Barrel Joe Biden’s pronouncement that “America is with us!” the disarmament industry is hurting for homies. No wonder ”One Million Moms For Gun Control” changed their name to “Moms Demand Action For Gun Sense In America.” Also no surprise: the President’s Boyz are using old-fashioned Chicago-style arm twisting to create the appearance of popular support . . .

    Governor Cuomo and our legislature passed the “NY SAFE ACT.” It will reduce gun violence in our state. Predictably, it is under attack by the National Rifle Association and allied groups. :::We are joining with the SEIU 1199 to lobby in Albany. This free bus trip will last from 8:00 to 4:30 with breakfast and lunch included. Meet up at 250 S Clinton St. Park in the M Lot at the corner of W Fayette and S Clinton Sts. (Parking in that lot may be validated. No sure yet.) Show your determination to keep our excellent new law!:::You must call this number to get a seat on the free bus. 315-424-1743 Ext 110 Ask for Nekeia:::Also sign up here.

    That’s straight from the horse’s mouth (being charitable) my.barackobama.com: there is such thing as a free lunch! And a free bus ride! From . . . WV, KY and OH.

    According to their website, ”SEIU District 1199 represents more than 30,000 health care and social service workers across West Virginia, Kentucky and Ohio. The Union is a part of the Service Employees International Union, whose 2 million members make it the largest union in the country, as well as the largest health care union in the nation.”

    When I said “arm twisting” above I meant it. How many of these bussed-in supposedly pro-SAFE Act supporters will show-up for the counter-demonstration against the Unite for Our Rights Day in Albany NY (February 28th) because they give a you-know-what about gun control? How many will be there because they were told to harass, intimidate pro-gun folks or (yes) bust heads?

    I reckon this means the pro-gun side is gaining momentum. We shall see

  3. Brian Downey Says:

    Judy G:
    Maybe the shotgun was a wedding “present” to Joe from her Dad?

  4. Tom Says:

    I have a double barrel shotgun that I use for Sporting Clays
    I have a Rem 1100 I keep next to the bed with a extended tube magazine and as many shells as will fit in it.

    Joe can keep his coach gun, that’s his right, not that he’ll ever need it living in the Naval Observatory and with all the guards with automatic weapons guarding him . . . but wait, if Joe has a shotgun to protect himself in his public houseing on Government Property, isn’t that illegal under Federal law?

  5. Drake Says:

    Biden Chief of Staff: Be Sure to Say ‘Murdered’ When Talking About Gun Violence Victims

    Posted on February 26, 2013

    The bummer about email lists is they can be hard to maintain. Sometimes people get messages they’re not supposed to. A TTAG reader forwarded the meeting notes compiled by a member of a group of 120 gun violence victims and relatives. Michael Bloomberg’s civilian disarmament-pushing group, Mayors Against Illegal Guns, funded a junket to Washington in early February where participants met with “Double Barrel” Joe Biden’s chief of staff, Bruce Reed, the first lady and their respective Senators and Members of Congress. All under the watchful eye of MAIG operatives, of course. Click here for the trip notes. One of the more revealing details . . .

    Is the effort made by Biden chief of staff Reed to make sure that the victims stay on message when talking to the press.

    During our press briefing with VP Biden’s lead man Bruce, it was suggested that people use the word murdered, versus lost or taken when speaking about a victim of gun violence. Murdered is a very strong word, it certainly brings about horrible images and tragic grief, but that is in fact the case with these shootings. Hearing the word murdered can’t hurt or shock more than the tragic death of a loved one. Using the word murdered stirs a strong emotion, as do these shootings, so it will lend an impact when speaking to or writing your elected official. Although there are some shootings that are accidental, these are a small percentage of the annual average of 12,000 deaths per year due to gun violence.

    Because if there’s one thing MAIG and the Administration don’t want, it’s a bunch of off-message victims running around D.C.

    And Organizing for Action, (Obama’s campaign organization formerly known as Organizing for America) is doing what they can to keep supporters energized when it comes to eliminating the RKBA. Here’s an email blast they sent out this morning trying to rally the troops and maintain the anti-gun fervor:

    Right now, add your name to say you’ll keep the heat on Congress until they vote on sensible solutions to reduce gun violence.

    We know a thing or two about making change.

    We know that doing big things means all of us doing what we can, where we live. That couldn’t have been clearer on Friday for the national gun violence Day of Action.

    We had 117 events in congressional districts across the country. Thousands of supporters joined in, and thousands more called and tweeted at your representatives, demanding real action from Washington to reduce gun violence. On the pavement, on the airwaves, and online, you helped put the pressure on Congress.

    Check out some of the highlights.

    A candlelight vigil in California:

  6. Andrew Says:

    Wow, two VPs in a row who can’t use a shotgun properly!

  7. Lucy's Mom Says:

    The really scary part is the fact that this idiot reproduced!

  8. Drake Says:

    VA Man Arrested for Following “Double Barrel” Biden’s Armed Defense Advise

    Posted on February 27, 2013

    “A 22-year-old man found himself facing a summons after he told officers he fired his shotgun repeatedly upon finding masked suspects leaning in his window.” Huh? But the Vice President of these here U-Nited States said firing warning shots with a shotgun is the sine qua non in home defense strategy. Ol’ Double Barrel Joe even confided that he advised his own wife to do just that if she ever felt threatened in their home. Guess that doesn’t apply in Virginia. Trevor Snowden of Virginia Beach “told police his dog was acting strange. When he walked to his bedroom, he said he saw two masked suspects leaning in his open window” . . .

    From wavy.com:

    Snowden told police the suspects pointed weapons at him and told him to shut the bedroom door. Thinking the suspects were going to rob him, he moved into the hallway and retrieved a shotgun.

    Moyers said Snowden fired through his bedroom door, then opened the door and fired several more rounds toward the window. Any suspects fled the area and could not be located by officers.

    Snowden’s been charged with reckless handling of a firearm. Since this was all just a misunderstanding – Trevor was obviously just following government sanctioned advice – we’re sure the Veep will be glad to cover his attorney’s fees and any fines that may be assessed.

  9. Marc-Wi Says:

    Mas, I don’t know how much more of this I can stand from this clown. Now he want’s to shoot thru doors!!!!!!!!!!…..http://minutemennews.com/2013/02/more-self-defense-advice-from-joe-biden-just-fire-the-shotgun-through-the-door/
    A mockery of gun safety.

  10. Patrick Says:

    Double Barrel Biden: Shotguns Easier to Aim, More of a Deterrent Than ARs

    Posted on February 28, 2013

    Joe “Double Barrel” Biden has been shooting his mouth off again. After advising home owners to fire warning shots from a double barrel shotgun to ward off home invaders, the President’s point man on civilian disarmament told Field & Stream readers to unleash a scattergun blast through a door in an emergency. The Veep also defended his opinion that double-barreled shotguns are better than “assault rifles” for the fairer sex. ”Most people can handle a shotgun a hell of a lot better than they can a semi-automatic weapon in terms of both their aim and in terms of their ability to deter people coming.” I guess Joe hasn’t seen the viral video of female shotgun fails racking-up the views on YouTube. Or asked anyone who actually owns an AR-style rifle why they don’t have a shotgun instead. Or, I dunno, compared firearm genres at a range. But let’s think about this a bit more . . .

    Joe is asking Americans to forgo modern sporting rifles for double barreled shotguns because shotguns are better in terms of their “aim” and their “ability to deter people coming.”

    So, what does Double Barreled Biden mean by “aim”? Is he saying that a shotgun is easier to get on target than a modern sporting rifle? Then he’s wrong for [at least] three reasons.

    1. Recoil

    The video above is no laughing matter. OK, it is (especially if you’re German). But recoil is a big issue when it comes to accurately acquiring a target. If a shooter is “afraid” of the gun’s recoil, if prior experience has conditioned them to flinch (in anticipation of said recoil), their aim is going to suck. Even if it doesn’t initially, it may do for follow-up shots. Shots which could well be the difference between life and death.

    Generally speaking (as we will in this post), a shotgun—even a smaller gauge gun loaded with low-recoil shells—has more recoil than an AR-style rifle (which can also accept low-recoil cartridges). Granted, recoil issues don’t afflict all shooters; plenty of scattergun owners train themselves to handle the recoil. But plenty more don’t.

    That list is not limited to women, younger shooters, older shooters, smaller shooters and handicapped shooters, but they figure heavily in the population of owners who wouldn’t do well aiming a shotgun after an initial fusillade.

    2. Fit

    AR-style rifles have adjustable stocks (voided where prohibited by law); they can be manipulated to fit a wide variety of shooters’ sizes and body types. This adjustability makes the gun easier to hold, manipulate and aim. As do the modern sporting rifle’s dreaded [/sarcasm] pistol grip and fore grip (void where prohibited by law).

    Shotguns, by and large, do not have adjustable stocks, pistol grips or fore grips (they’re illegal in certain jurisdictions). If you’re lucky/rich enough to have a custom-made double-barreled shotgun, good for you! If you don’t an AR-15 will be easier to hold and, thus, aim.

    3. Optics – Optics or sighting systems—from scopes to red dots—make a HUGE difference in a shooter’s ability to accurately aim their rifle. Which is why the vast majority of rifle owners, millions of them, mount optics on their modern sporting rifles. It’s a relatively simple process with enormous benefits for aimed or directed fire.

    Some shotguns will accept optics, but most won’t. Their recoil makes optics generally unreliable and, if not, expensive. Besides, a shotgun is (again generally) a short-range weapon. At “combat distance” it puts out a spread of lead roughly the size of a softball. While you MUST aim a shotgun, it’s not as much of an aimed weapon as a rifle.

    Does that make a shotgun any “easier” to aim than a rifle? Nope. But it does makes a shotgun less accurate in terms of hitting exactly what you’re aiming at—and nothing else. In other words, setting aside “over-penetration” issues, a shotgun has more potential for creating collateral damage than a rifle.

    I wonder if Double Barrel Biden thought about that. At all. Ever. ‘Cause Joe also said this . . .

    We can argue whether that’s true or not [that a shotgun is easier to aim and more of a deterrent], but it is no argument that, for example, a shotgun could do the same job of protecting you. Now, granted, you can come back and say, ‘Well, a machine gun could do a better job of protecting me.’ No one’s arguing we should make machine guns legal.”

    Joe should know. Anyone with any experience of firearms (as Joe claims) would know that a shotgun does not do the same job as a modern sporting rifle.

    A shotgun unleashes a number of projectiles at once, making it a superb not-to-say devastating short-range weapon. It’s not bad at longer ranges, but nowhere near as effective as a modern sporting rifle, which fires a single projectile with terrific accuracy.

    Don’t get me wrong: either gun can be used for short or long range distances. But both have their strengths and weaknesses. Sensibly enough, many gun owners have both platforms. Denying Americans modern sporting rifles because shotguns exist is like denying ice cream lovers chocolate because vanilla exists. Or vice versa.

    As for making machine guns legal, yes please. Not because machine guns are more effective for self-defense than a semi-automatic rifle or a shotgun, but because We the People have a Constitutionally protected right to keep and bear [any] arms. Just sayin’ . . .

    Finally, the idea that a shotgun is a better deterrent than a modern sporting rifle is just silly. Like 90 percent of what comes out of Double Barrel Biden’s mouth on the subject of guns. If you’d like to me to ID the 10 percent that does make sense, do me a favor. Give me a minute . .

  11. Patrick Says:

    Obama Pardons Gun Crime Convict…Why?

    Posted on March 3, 2013

    By Eddie Devir

    What’s been the constant drumbeat from the administration — almost to the exclusion of anything else — ever since Sandy Hook? “Common sense” gun control measures (read: civilian disarmament) are what’s really needed to keep Americans safe. In response, the NRA’s been asking why new laws would make a discernible difference when those on the books now 1) already make everything the Lanzas and Loughners of the world did illegal, and 2) aren’t consistently or vigorously enforced as it is. Which has to make you wonder why Barack Obama included Larry Wayne Thorton in a batch of 17 presidential pardons he signed Friday . . .

    According to washingtonexaminer.com,

    Larry Wayne Thornton of Forsyth, Ga., was sentenced to four years of probation for “possession of an unregistered firearm” and “possession of a firearm without a serial number.”

    Unregistered? So…the gun was an NFA-regulated item? A full-auto gun or SBR? Along with taking a Dremel to the heater’s serial number, those are two fairly serious offenses. Just the types of infractions the ATF tends to go after like a Pit Bull on a Bichon Frise.

    Let’s hop in the Wayback Machine, though, and set the dial for January of this year — when the anti-gun furies were really raging — and take another look through those 23 executive orders the Disarmer-in Chief unveiled with such fanfare. Remember lucky number 13?

    Maximize enforcement efforts to prevent gun violence and prosecute gun crime.

    How is pardoning a felon convicted of a couple of unambiguous firearms no-nos consistent with that order? And why would the President knowingly expose himself to the inevitable cries of “hypocrite!” for a guy who only got probation anyway? It’s not like he’s doing hard time.

    Maybe the better question is, who (or maybe what) does Larry Wayne Thorton know?

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