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Massad Ayoob on Guns

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Massad Ayoob

WELL, THAT DIDN’T TAKE LONG, DID IT?

Thursday, November 8th, 2012

Our newly re-elected President told Sarah Brady and company that he was working “under the radar” for more “gun control.” We reported it here. He told the Russians that he’d have “more flexibility” after he was re-elected. We told you that here.
About 12 hours after he was declared the victor in the Presidential race, it was announced that his administration was calling for NATO to reconsider the onerous international small arms treaty that would have profoundly chilling effects on the rights of American gun owners. My friend Dave Workman, a tireless activist for gun owners’ civil rights, explains it all here: http://www.examiner.com/article/the-day-after-u-n-moves-quickly-on-global-gun-control-debate?cid=db_articles .
Simultaneously, Dianne Feinstein is apparently introducing a new semi-automatic firearms ban, one which is vastly farther-reaching and more draconian than the one Bill Clinton ramrodded through and forced us to live with for a decade. This one will have no sunset clause. You won’t be able to sell the guns you own which “fit the (ridiculous) profile” of what will be forbidden…which very likely means you won’t be able to bequeath those guns to your children. Check it out here: http://www.examiner.com/article/feinstein-rumored-to-be-pushing-semi-auto-ban-if-obama-reelected
Carolyn McCarthy, a vehement single issue anti-gunner, doesn’t just encourage President Obama to use executive orders to curtail your rights to own firearms: she publicly states that she thinks he’ll actually do it, according to HuffPost, here: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/24/gun-control-carolyn-mccarthy-obama-executive-authority_n_1699641.html
Hey, all you Obama apologists who wrote into this blog over the last few months saying that he didn’t want to interfere with your gun ownership rights…what do you think NOW?
One of our regular blog commentators said recently that he wished I’d get off politics and back to talking about guns. I hear ya, Doc, but the thing of it is…there ain’t much more important “about guns” than the right to acquire, own, and keep them.

79 Responses to “WELL, THAT DIDN’T TAKE LONG, DID IT?”

  1. 5minutes Says:

    The good news is that none of these proposals will make their way past the proposal stage. The NATO treaty requires a 2/3 approval vote in the Senate and the GOP-controlled House won’t let Feinstein’s bill out of committee.

    Executive orders may be an issue, but they’ll likely get sued out of existence and I guarantee you that if it makes it to the SCOTUS, the power of the President to rule via order will be severely limited.

  2. Keith in Seattle Says:

    Hey libs, DO NOT ask for what you cannot TAKE! Come get you some! Beware of lead poisoning though…

  3. Bob G Says:

    Very well stated, Mas.

    All of this is troubling, but none of it is surprising from Obama and his anti-freedom allies. One of the easiest ways for an ineffective politician to pander when faced with terrorist attacks (more likely, given our weakness hear and abroad) and/or rising violent crime is to restrict the rights of the law-abiding to show that they’re “doing something” about the problem.

    Obama, IMHO, firmly believes that the plebs should not have the rights to own weapons. He has stated so in the past, if we believe John Lott’s account (and I do).

    Keep up the good work,
    Bob G

  4. Ben Says:

    Reid v. Covert ruled that the Constitution supersedes any international treaties ratified by the Senate. Thus considered how do you see this affecting gun owner in the US? Does anyone really believe that any kind of gun control legislation has any chance of making it through the House? Heck even most of the blues are afraid to support it.

  5. Matt, another Says:

    “You won’t be able to sell the guns you own which “fit the (ridiculous) profile” of what will be forbidden…which very likely means you won’t be able to bequeath those guns to your children.”

    One question about the above statement of which I’ve seen similar expressed other places.

    How many freedom minded gun owners do you expect to tell the government when they give firearms to their kids or loved ones? I would expect those type of bequests to be taken care of well before a person passes and listing that in a legal will, regardless of type of firearm would be asking for confiscation or punitive taxes.

  6. Winston Smith Says:

    Well, that McCarthy HuffPo article was from July (Aurora shootings). I wouldn’t have even noticed it (despite the date being in the URL to the article), had I not asked myself:

    - If McCarthy thinks Obama is such a “good person” and that “good” people want to ban/restrict guns, then why does she think this couldn’t happen until after Obama was re-elected and a lameduck? [Seems like a dirty trick to wait until he has nothing to lose if it's such a "good" action to take.]

    Well, it’s because her naivety thought Obama would do something *BEFORE* he was re-elected, of course.

    Me? I think Obama will pursue executive orders and taxation (with mixed results) as a means of partial regulation (impediment).

    Have a favorite European maker? Well, that might just get held up by the ATF importation regulations via a new Exec Order.

    Want an imported curio that is cleaned up with US made parts to satisfy 922R? Well, the raw supply of demilled parts kits might be limited.

    Think that sounds silly? What happened to all of those US made M1 Garands that were left over in Korea that the Koreans wanted to bring back to the U.S. and drop on our open market. Well, the bureaucrats stifled that from happening…

    Now, had the House not been balanced to the right in this past election, this would be a different story.

    There will be attempts by people like McCarthy and Feinstein, but I don’t see them really going anywhere too seriously, at least not for a little while.

  7. Richard Says:

    I truly hope none of this comes to pass. Congress remains divided so I doubt legislation would ever make it through. But I am starting to think the conspiracy theory nuts may be onto something. You may wish to exclude the following from posts because it may start another flame war in tone comments. The conspiracy nuts point to the “militarization” of police (DHS, Military, Local Police combined training exercises). They point to ammo purchases and laws such as NADA. So it makes one wonder if nay e the conspiracy nuts are right and a huge gun grab is in the works. I personally no many LEOs and all are mostly peace officers, friends. The occasional bad apple but you get those in any family. They have stated that its just conspiracy without merit. Do you have any thoughts on this? Since you work with various departments across the nation I figured you would have a better perspective tban most.

  8. Matt Says:

    The HOUSE won’t go along with any crazy bills out of the Senate. For the Republicans to even stay marketable, they must deliver “something” to their core constituent groups.

  9. Gary Slider Says:

    Just like Cockroaches when the lights when out they came out. They would not talk about guns as they know it would only cost them. Not worried about laws for the next couple years. The BATF is who I am afraid of. Rule making will be the big thing. Government can do about anything they want now. Obama doesn’t like a law so he states we will not enforce it but go by a bill that never passed both houses or signed by him.

    Not scared for me Mas I am scared for my children and grandchildren. Any government that wants to impose its will only has one way to do it and that is with a fist. Like I stated I don’t look for any laws to pass the next couple years as the house is still in Rep control. Rule making is the big thing. But as for banning semi-autos and not being able to sell them they must know who has them and what they have. That means they must have registration. They can’t do it without registration. That will be the straw that breaks the camels back.

  10. Joshua Says:

    Regarding the treaty:

    An official at the U.S. mission said Washington’s objectives have not changed.

    “We seek a treaty that contributes to international security by fighting illicit arms trafficking and proliferation, protects the sovereign right of states to conduct legitimate arms trade, and meets the concerns that we have been articulating throughout,” the official said.

    “We will not accept any treaty that infringes on the constitutional rights of our citizens to bear arms,” he said.

    U.S. officials have acknowledged privately that the treaty under discussion would have no effect on domestic gun sales and ownership because it would apply only to exports.

    The Feinstein bill is pure conjecture at this point. That doesn’t mean there is no substance to the rumors–where there’s smoke, there’s often fire–but given how ticked off a lot of people are about Obama’s re-election right now, I wouldn’t be surprised to find a lot of people hiding in bushes rubbing sticks together either. Until there is the actual text of an actual bill to look at, and until Obama indicates that he intends to sign said bill, I still consider my $5 safe.

    Regarding Carolyn McCarthy: she wants Obama to use executive orders to curtail firearm rights? Whoop-dee-doo. I want Obama to give me a pony. We all want things.

  11. Joshua Says:

    PS: You never said if you were taking the bet. To re-iterate, $5 says Obama will not sign, or indicate that he intends to sign, a bill that would reinstate the AWB or some analog of it. Has to be an actual bill that has been put forward, not a rumor or a draft bill. I leave it to our good will and discretion to define “some analog of the AWB,” but I would be willing to discuss specifics if you feel it’s necessary.

  12. Paul Edwards Says:

    Sounds like time to say “I told you so”.

    Problem is, that won’t fix the real problem, whose name is “Obama”, and now he has four more years, not only to take away our only means of defense against a totalitarian government, but to figure out how to get around the “No Third Term” rule, and make himself “President for Life”.

    Don’t know if this means that “Good Men Stood around and did nothing”, or there aren’t any Good Men left, to “do anything”?

  13. Larry Says:

    The one thing we have going for us at this point is the continued Republican majority in the House. I don’t think you will get any such bill through there. There are probably still enough Democrats who remember losing their majority after passing the last one as well. As for the treaty, I’m not sure that the Senate would ratify it.

    This all concerns me greatly and I was really hoping not to have to work so hard to protect my rights for another four years, but I try to remain optimistic.

  14. wg Says:

    Well now. Not really surprised. Our only hope is that he doubles the amount of time that he plays golf.

  15. Andy Says:

    Can’t disagree with anything you say here (or have said in the past).

    Denial of Obama’s evil (yes, EVIL) agenda for America- in all its possible forms- is pure stupidity at this point. But it’s still going to be there.

    God help this country and its increasingly-poor-excuse for citizenry.

  16. Randy Says:

    In the past, I always thought that with the internet we had some safety net to rapidly inform the electorate and other like minded individuals. Thus, a piece by piece dismantling of our rights would be nearly impossible. Much like this blog keeps us informed. I understand that the procedures are now in place that the President can shut it down, supposedly in a National emergency! Imagine having to go back to the popular media to get the truth! Without coordinated exchange of information we would be blind with only rumors to go on. Anyone see the movie THE POSTMAN. Yes, I know it was a crappy movie, but it does show how valuable quick and accurate information can be.

  17. Noah Vaile Says:

    This is no surprise at all. Nor does he care for our other “rights’ either. And he should be able to pack the supreme court over the next four years as well.
    Congratulations Amerika. You just voted away your Constitution.

  18. Coult D Says:

    Mas, Your last line says it all. What could be more important then securing our right to own guns. Keep blogging what interests you,because you have been on the mark for the 24 years I have read your articles.

  19. Doc Martin Says:

    Hmmm. Looks like I stand corrected.

    Thanks for reading my comments Mas.

    And thanks for not following them.

    I’d love to write more, but I gotta run. The gun store closes in a couple hours and I bet there’s a line.

  20. Elm Creek Smith Says:

    I, too, kept getting the “No one is coming for your guns” condescending responses to my posts (especially on Huffington Post) whenever I raised the red flag of the dangers of returning Da One to the White House for another four years. Raising the “more flexibility” issue got more condescension like the only thing he’d have “more flexibility” on was missile defense.

    ECS

  21. Gary Says:

    Well I for one am tired of shutting up and drinking the kool-aid………….

  22. Old Fezzywig Says:

    Mas,

    Thanks for doing your homework. I am stunned by the speed with which Obummer is moving against us. Thank God we still have access to accurate information. How long will it take for the administration to go after Fox News and talk radio? Maybe we patriots should move to Texas and build a wall around it, then declare the U.S. Constitution to be the law of our land. If only I had more money so I could buy more guns!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  23. Taopi Says:

    Well here we go just as I thought, just faster, I’m thinking this is going to get very nasty and this is just what they were looking forward too they want this to turn into unrest, we are going to loose are country and they are working hard and fast to see to it, all of the Constitution will soon be a thing of the past as much of it has already been nulified, over half of the voters just threw it out and it is going to get much worse. I have watched this happen over more than seventy years now slowly but surely we have lost what once was ours, my heart hurts for the young people that will have to live through it and for all the the fine young soldiers who have died through the years defending it. May God Bless America.

  24. Bill Hoppe Says:

    I hope the hunters that fancy themselves some sort of purists and look down their collective noses at handguns and military appearing firearms realize that the deer rifle they own is a “Sniper’s Weapon” to the anti-gun crowd.

  25. Nate Says:

    Talk about a loss of respect for Ayoob when the first thing about the Brady comment is a made up lie by the NRA:

    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/jun/14/national-rifle-association/barack-obama-coming-after-guns-under-radar-nra-say/

    Knock it off with the alarmist propaganda and lies, it’s really obnoxious. People like you are driving up the price of ammo and guns with your fearmongering.

  26. Stu Strickler Says:

    Why am I not surprised at this. Obama has always hated guns and lies about supporting the Second Amendment.

  27. Bob Muller Says:

    Do you really think Obama needs a bill or legislation? He has circumnavigated so many thing in prior years. If one of his money suppliers offers him the right amount he will bypass the constitution. He back doored and closed doored OBAMCARE. What’s next.

  28. Mas Says:

    For Heaven’s sake, Nate — or at least for honesty’s sake — that’s a pretty weak first post here. Do you even read the things you link to?

    Try to do better…or go back to the Sarah Brady blog where your regurgitated Kool-Aid will produce less sympathetic vomiting.

  29. Steve Says:

    Not doubting your sources but I’ll get alarmed when I see this in the print media I read.

    Internet news also is sometimes pretty flaky.

    Hard to see major gun legislation, a red button issue, getting through Congress when even less loaded issues can’t. sorry for the pun.

  30. dave Says:

    There are alot of really smart political people is these actions impeachable? If so weres the paper i will sign it

  31. LarryArnold Says:

    “I guarantee you that if it makes it to the SCOTUS, the power of the President to rule via order will be severely limited.”

    That guarantee pretty well depends on who the president appoints to SCOTUS.

    I too would be happier if Mas would get off politics. Only trouble is politics isn’t going to get off of us.

  32. Dale Hanna Says:

    Let me draw everyones attention to two executive orders made by William Jefferson Clinton. The first was in 1998 banning the importation of over 50 semi auto “assault weapons” the second in 2001 banning the importation of “assault pistols”,what ever the hell those are. These executive orders are still in effect,they haven’t been sued out of existence, they haven’t been reversed by Republicans. Now think to yourself what would happen if the same was done to imported ammunition. How long do you think it would take for existing supplies to sell out and how much do you think it would be when you saw it again. But the nay sayers would be right! He didn’t take your guns! What really freaks me out is the fact that some folks trust and believe him! Now remember! He’s a politician and a lawyer!

  33. Tom606 Says:

    I’m going to buy more poisonous yellow tree frogs for my frog ranch so I’ll have more stuff to tip the darts for my Cold Steel blowgun which hopefully will be exempt or overlooked by our Dear Leader’s anti-gun henchpersons.

    Hopefully most of the readers/posters on this blog has learned from what happened with HillBilly’s teasonous act of 1994 and stocked up on guns, magazines, ammo, reloading supplies and other needed stuff before this election – just in case. I too was hoping Romney/Ryan would win and at least slow down our country’s downward death spiral, but the first sign for me that things may not look good was when Romney chose Ryan over Rubio for VP. Ryan would make an excellent Secretary of the Treasury, but Romney needed someone who could help him win, not someone who’s a financial wizard. The first presidential debate was certainly uplifting, but Romney didn’t continue his momentum or keep the pressure on the Anointed One to keep him off balance. Then when Sandy struck, Romney tried to be a nice guy and stand down while our Dear Leader hogged the limelight in photo ops with a fawning Chris Christie who I thought was about to drop to his knees and do a Monica Lewinsky for the Messiah.

    We all know how nice guys finish – second or last.

    But back to guns. I learned my lesson from HillBilly and raided my very meager piggy bank to buy a few things I figure may come in handy in these uncertain times. Why not spend rapidly devaluating dollars of fiat money for real things like ammunition. As long as one has enough cash to take care of normal expenses, it’s better to have a current dollar’s worth of ammo or gold than a dollar bill which is going lower in value over time as government printing presses are running overtime. If you have some money you can spare, buy stuff now while it’s still available at a decent price. If the crap really hits the fan, that box of .22LR, 9mm, 45 ACP, .223 or .308 ammo is worth a lot more than a wallet full of cash which doesn’t even work that well as a bird cage liner or toilet paper.

  34. Lew Says:

    Mas, You said: “…there ain’t much more important “about guns” than the right to acquire, own, and keep them.”
    I’d like to refine that thought by saying obama’s Supreme Court nominees will tell us everything obama thinks we need to know about our Constitution.

  35. cyberjackal Says:

    What’s troubling is all of the “assumptions” in these posts, that “no legislation will pass with the Republican majority in the House.”

    Really? What happens, in say, in 2014 the Democrats re-take control of the House and increase their stranglehold on the Senate?

    NEVER assume that any of this legislation written and proposed by the left wing nut jobs in the Senate or House won’t pass.

    We need to make it abundantly clear to ALL members of the Senate and Congress, that We The People are who right their paychecks and who WILL fire their butts!

    Molon Labe!

  36. Jeff in WI Says:

    I think you erred on the side of caution this time Mas. You should have moderated Nate’s comment into oblivion. I believe in free speech and all, however, he’s nothing but a troll for the Brady gang.

  37. Lorenzo Says:

    I’m still amazed that a man with such a track record can get not only the electoral vote, but the popular as well, for a second term. Even a perceived faux pas by a conservative/republican politician is enough to mar him for the rest of his life, to include the relentless ridicule of his progeny,The total disregard for Constitutional norms by the current White House resident is up front, and reported with aplomb by a lap dog media that only sees wrong committed by the right. Bernie Goldberg was exactly correct in his book about media bias, “the only time the media mentions left-wing is when they are talking about aircraft parts.”

    My question is, how can any thinking adult NOT see the clearly anti-constitutional, statist, classic narcissistic nature of this man? The first time he came up on the radar he was quoted on video lamenting that the Constitution didn’t do enough to allow government “to do more for you.” A charter of “negative liberties” I believe he called it. Since being sworn in he proceeded to violate the oath at every turn. Spare me the noise about how they all do it. I understand that. But this is not only in your face, so to speak, but the demographics seems to be accepting of it. That’s the scary part.

    All of this is only my opinion, which counts for nothing.

  38. Lorenzo Says:

    Oh! and Doc…..that’s funny; long lines at the gun shop! LOL!!!

  39. Marc-Wi Says:

    As far as exec orders—
    Bush1signed UN agenda 21, the senate refused to ratify it. Clinton renamed it and put in into effect with an exec order.
    Obama loves to circumvent congress with exec orders, brags about it.
    According to at least two articles I read Thr night the arms trade treaty will be done and voted on in March.

    I fear in four years none of us will recognize our country.

  40. Hanza Says:

    @Mas: because I didn’t see this posted, I changed the spelling on a couple of the words that might have kept it from being approved before.

    ——————————————————————————–

    Here in Oregon there have been efforts in the past to ban lawful concealed carry permit holders from carrying on school grounds. Those efforts have been defeated because the Republicans had enough votes to block those attempts.

    This election changed all that and the Democrats now have a majority in the House.

    It is expected that bills will be introduced next year in the legislature to change the carry law. The Democrat govenor has said that if such a bill crosses his desk he will sign it. :-(

    The hoplophobes really do believe that eliminating lawful carry will prevent mayhem with firearms by monsters on school grounds. Permit holders of course are the most LEAST likely to do such things.

    There is a book out that says liberals are mentally ill. They truly are.

  41. Bubba Says:

    The Republican led House and a third of the Senate will be up for re-election in 2 years. I’m afraid Boehner and the Republican establishment will feel they have to cave in on a lot of things in order to keep control of the House in 2 years. If the Democrats take control of the House in 2 years, we will officially be under authoritarian rule.

  42. Fruitbat44 Says:

    Speaking from across the pond . . . good luck, but I don’t get the vibe of Obama as being a potential dictator, well least no more so than any other politician, and IMHO the worse case is that in four years time there will be a debate which cndidate would be most likely to reverse the previous emcumbents unpoplular decicisons.

    Just my take.

    And Dale Hanna, as to “asualt pistols” I think this is the sort of thing being refferred to:
    http://www.gunsinternational.com/Assault-Pistols.cfm?cat_id=204

  43. Grumpy Old Man Says:

    Mas, I’ve read your books and columns for years and you were 100% right on what we are facing. You don’t know how much I wish that you had been wrong on this! Anyway, I guess its time to get out the PVC tube again. Even obeying 100% of what’s on the books now, I can imagine the bad guys going around seizing guns from innocents knowing it will cost too much to get ‘em back in legal fees. This guy is like Clinton on steroids for all the kinds of bad headed America’s way for the next 4 years.

    Maybe an article on what balance of parts, mags, and ammo per gun seems best, along with tips on caching would be appropriate for all the new guys who didn’t live through AWB 1.0? Just a suggestion – I always like reading your columns and this is something that is going to be of interest to me now and to others who were in denial over the danger posed by a second term very soon.

    Maybe also we should all bring ourselves up to speed on legal fictions like gun trusts that may help if there’s a transfer ban? IANAL, so any info would help – not even sure if there’s a glimmer of a hope for us there.

    God save the Republic,
    Grumpy

  44. roger Says:

    Shall we go back to 1937 in Germany and compare that to what seems to be in store for the USA in the coming four years? Did England or any other country who removed firearms from its people experience less crime-of any kind? I think not! Why do treehuggers think that it would be different here? If the so called “Black Rifles” or high capacity arms are outlawed, your .22′s and 12ga. bird guns will shortly follow-we need to all hang together or we will surely hang alone. Just food for thought.

  45. guntotin-mama Says:

    “Why not spend rapidly devaluating dollars of fiat money for real things like ammunition. As long as one has enough cash to take care of normal expenses, it’s better to have a current dollar’s worth of ammo or gold than a dollar bill which is going lower in value over time as government printing presses are running overtime. If you have some money you can spare, buy stuff now while it’s still available at a decent price. If the crap really hits the fan, that box of .22LR, 9mm, 45 ACP, .223 or .308 ammo is worth a lot more than a wallet full of cash which doesn’t even work that well as a bird cage liner or toilet paper.”

    Tom, great minds think alike. Prices are already going up; availability is shrinking — and I can’t find anything else that will provide as much “return on investment” at the moment. Toilet paper isn’t likely to be banned, even if the price goes up.

    The ONLY political contributions I’ve made this year, have been to the NRA. I don’t always agree with them and what they support – but at least we’re on the same page as far as basic rights of citizens. Their track record is pretty good – lobbying and lawsuits – and I’d much rather battle that way as long as it’s effective, than with my ammo.

  46. Elm Creek Smith Says:

    I’m going to the Wanenmacher Arms Show in Tulsa this weekend with my grandkids and my brother. I think it’s time for me to buy a few thousand rounds of 5.56×45 NATO and .38 Special/.357 Magnum, so we’ll take the dolly with us in the truck. Luckily my Ruger Mini-14 doesn’t care what I feed it, so this won’t break the bank.

    Don’t wait. Buy now.

    ECS

  47. Rob G Says:

    Sitting back and playing the strong silent types as we’ve all done in the past will ensure that Obama and his angry cronies will get their way with our guns, our rights and our safety.

    We must be loud and proud of who we are and what we believe in and stop this nonsense at every single turn.

    Stop hoping for change and make it happen!

  48. Mike, NPR, FL Says:

    Off subject, but I’m currently reading “Twlight in America” a great new book about the existing anti-American terrorist training facilities across the USA. A highly recommended eye opener.

  49. Tom Says:

    “that will never pass”
    I recall hearing that about Obamacare and they did it anyway despite opposition. I do remember that not all of the Republicans voted our side.

    “that could never pass” is wishful thinking that may not hold up. If you want any of the goodies on the list, now would be a good time to get them in case any of this gun-control garbage comes into effect be it by law, executive order, or just bureaucratic interpretation by some unelected .gov officials.

  50. Illinois Bob Says:

    A democracy fails when the ruling class can get enough of the populace dependant on them to have an unshakeable majority. Then they can start to push through increasingly draconian laws that increase their power and strip the people of God given rights. Once they can convince enough that God is non-existent we are down to government given rights that can be taken away at a moment’s notice.

    By all accounts Obama should have been soundly defeated on Tuesday. Almost every group should have been against him. By the Christian vote alone he should have lost. Everyone of every religion should have stood with the Catholics in defense of the attack on their church. Pick off the largest, strongest religion and the rest become easy targets.

    But what we saw was what Romney meant with his 47% comment. It is wise not to bite the hand that feeds you. As we continually add people to the dependency train we make it harder and harder to elect anyone who will strive to do what is right because it means taking away things people shouldn’t have in the first place. No one is willing to give up their gravy. Take it from someone else. Everyone wants health care. It’s just everyone wants someone else to pay for it for them.

    One of these issues will be the straw that breaks this country’s back. When a bush gets overgrown you are forced to prune it back. When this can no longer be done civilly through elected officials it will be done forcibly. We have come very close to states leaving the union in the past five years. Firearms ownership is one of those straws. Pray that cooler heads will prevail and that this country will swing back to the principals that made us the greatest nation on this planet.

  51. Tony Says:

    Went by the local Cop Shop today talk to a guy I know who works there. It had been awhile since I had been in. I ask if it had been busy the last couple of weeks. He looked at me and laughted and said do you see all the guns with red stickers they are our demos and its the only one we have and we can’t sell them because we won’t have anything to show to anyone. They were almost out of ammo people had been buyingiit by the case. I have been stacking it up for awhile. Bought some more tonight. Plenty of brass, bullets, powder, and primers but gonna buy more when I can. Well Mas you told everybody. My vote went to Romney. Didn’t vote for Obama the first time. Time to hunker down and fight. Remember We The People.

  52. Dave Says:

    Got to keep the fear of increased gun and ammo control going to keep gun / ammo sales and prices up.

  53. Doug Uhlmann Says:

    When talking to one of my friends about this whole thing. This was his response. I think he voted for Obama. LOL

    Looks like another four years of renaissance times for gun owners to me. Obama’s presidency has resulted in the loosest gun laws since the 1930s AND the NRAs literature has been so alarmist that gun shops are raking it in. Loose gun laws plus “right to carry” laws is most states plus unnecessarily upset gun owners = BIG $$$$ at the cash register.

  54. Jack Says:

    You were right Mas. I knew it too. I trust Obama, Feinstein et al. as far as I throw the Empire State Building. On My end I’m stocking up on reloading supplies , might buy a few more guns and will continue to vote accordingly.

  55. Phil H Says:

    Feinstein isn’t Obama. McCarthy isn’t Obama. If every president were held against the actions of the chuckleheads in his party, not one would ever be esteemed. This is all smoke and ominous music, and there is nothing tangible behind it. As “Joshua” said earlier (I cannot match this line; it made me spew my early morning coffee): Regarding Carolyn McCarthy: she wants Obama to use executive orders to curtail firearm rights? Whoop-dee-doo. I want Obama to give me a pony. We all want things.

    I am no scholar of international law, but from what I read in other places, the furor over the UN small arms treaty is just another example of people looking for black helicopters in the sky.

    If you all want to hate Obama, go ahead. But, this sort of exaggeration does not help the 2nd amendment support movement.

  56. daryl Says:

    Your article was forwarded to me from a friend of a friend. However it is nothing more than an angry rant because it missing a call to action.

    What are we as citizens supposed to do to keep our rights..? Voting against Obama is not an option…

  57. Smith Says:

    After reading this I went out and bought my first two guns. An AR-15 and a SW M&P40.

  58. Noah Vaile Says:

    Sticking one’s head in the sand and hopefully bleating, “That could never happen here,” because you think whatever “it” is is immoral, illegal or un-Constitutional is not (IMO) a healthy response.
    This president has violated constitutional proscriptions, and the law, on numerous occasions without a blip from the congress, the house at least as he owns the senate.
    0bummer is a communist/socialist and all of his policies are purposely destructive to us as a nation and as individuals. He threatens our rights, our livelihoods and our hopes for the future of our children.

  59. jim b Says:

    well guy’s and gal’s there it is nothing to lose so the pres Obama is going to push his real agenda . let’s just hope some one in the house has some , let’s say ball’s . everything this pres want’s need’s congress approval . gun control you need to pass law’s , un treaty you need congress approval . I’m with you mas this guy will try and act like this is chicago . look at what he did to Ken Lewis and bofa , strong armed . I not a conspiracy nut , but I would love to see Trump put some down and prove his belief that Obama was not born here . What happened to this country , where all there is to vote for is these type of people . look at the recent disgrace of General Petraeus , no moral fabric .

  60. Tom606 Says:

    The imates (liberals and imbeciles) are running the asylum (United States) and has been for some time now, and we have finally reached the point of no return.

    From what I’ve heard on Fox News (I don’t waste my time watching the pro-Obama propaganda on the other so called news channels) it seems that the only way to win future elections is to outbid the other candidates
    with free stuff. Since there are now so many legal and illegal immigrants now residing and voting in our country, we must to address their needs to get their vote. If it means making them all citizens/subjects, then so be it. If they want free money, food, cell phones, etc., then give it to them so they’ll vote for you. With so many folks now on the government dole, politicians will have to bribe their constituents to put and keep them in office. Is this really how America should work?

    I fear we have reached the tipping point in the balance of power between good and evil. The evil in this case includes those too stupid to think for themselves and vote according to how their favorite actor/actress and sports figures tell them, and the vast majority of these celebrities are left leaning to various degrees, from plain dumb liberal to radically Maxist. One can’t help but feel like they’re beyond hope. The Executive branch is in enemy hands as is the Senate. The U.S. Supreme Court is still on our side, but for how long? Same for the House of Representatives. The vile liberals have bidded their time and patiently over the years indoctrinated most of our kids into being zombies for the Democratic Party, so they are willing to wait us out to take control of the House and SCOTUS. Liberal propaganda meister Michael Moore was unfortunately right when he said several years ago that Americans are the most stupid people in the world and the proof is sitting in the White House now. We know over half the voting public are idiots and the ones who didn’t cast a ballot are their evil accomplices.

    By the time of the next presidential election, if there is one, the number of fools will be greater and the wiser ones will be lower due to the older ones croaking in the meantime. I believe Clinton who personally hates Obama, helped him this time because the Dear Leader promised to get Hillary in the Oval Office in 2016. Why else, other than money (Clinton is a lawyer after all) would he endorse the Anointed One and spend so much effort helping him? Maybe HillBilly is hoping the Messiah will give them pardons for past crimes. There’s no statute of limitations on homicide.

    If you have any extra money (who does nowadays?), or maybe better stated, money you can spare, buy the hard assets you’re been wanting to get, whether it’s guns, ammo, body armor, reloading supplies, gold/silver, etc. because they will be in short supply and cost more before too long. Also look for things like body armor, long range rifle scopes, night vision devices, and .50 caliber rifles to be banned from civilian ownership, as Uncle Sammoud doesn’t want you to have things that can challenge his royal authority or the imperial stormtroopers charged with enforcing it.

  61. Dale Hanna Says:

    Fruitbat, those are no different in design than my 1911 or my M&P. They’re semi-auto and can only fire as fast as your finger can pull the trigger. The press and certain politicians like to use that term to make these firearms seem more evil. Paul Helmke with the Brady Campaign came up with a new one last year “Assault Clips”. I have no idea what the hell those are either! I guess if I used one to beat you with,it would be considered assault, thus making it an assault clip. Of course I’d have to find one first!

  62. Fruitbat44 Says:

    Dale – Technically something like a MAC-10 ‘assault pistol’ is different in design than a 1911. But I agree the labelling is important, though oddly the site I linked to – which doesn’t strike me personally as an anti-gun site – referees to them as ‘assault pistols.’

    I *Think* that ‘assault pistols’ had their origin with the quirks of US Firearms law where a firearm with a barrel below a certain length got taxed as if it were a full auto-weapon if it had a shoulder stock on it.

    Speaking as a , largely, armchair gunslinger I feel that if something like a DC-9 fitted with a shoulder stock would be a handy carbine for self-defence, the more casual sort of target shooting and some sorts of vermin control; as an ‘assault pistol’ it strikes me more as a lethal novelty than a practical firearm.

    And since this post is moving very much OT from the subject of the thread I will wind it up with a completely OT bit of TV Trivia, in seventies TV show about millionaire detective “Matt Houston” the DC-9 was the millionaire’s weapon of choice when he parachuted in to a Caribbean Island to rescue his girlfriend from terrorists. Though in the show I recall it being fired full-auto.

  63. Fruitbat44 Says:

    Doh! Correction to my last “Matt Houston” was eighties and not seventies . . . so much for my credibility. :-)

  64. Jacob Morgan Says:

    First of all, if Romney had had the same votes that McCain had in 2008, he’d probably would have won. Problem was people didn’t turn out for him. Part of that was due to a lot of idiots trying to look smart by being above it all, saying they are all the same so why bother. On guns people said that too, and they are likely to be proven wrong. If he proves them wrong the will pour out for the mid-terms.

    On using ammo for barter, said it before, ammo is great but how about diversifying? How about fire wood, kerosene, seeds, chickens, grain, keresene stoves and heaters, etc? It would be bad to be secure, and starve and freeze.

    Obama wants to destroy the country by bankrupting it. There simply isn’t the money in the world to loan to the US for these trillion dollar deficits. So the Fed is running the presses. When that catches up, it will be hyper inflation. Ammo yes, but how about a rototiller? A bicycle? Stuff to let life go on for your family.

    Other thing to ask is, for someone who already has guns (and needs ammo), if they don’t even have ammo what do you think they will have that will be worth battering for?

    Col Cooper suggested stockpiling ammo for bartering years ago. That was back before PMC, Fiochi, etc., lowered ammo prices in the 1990′s. A lot of people before then really did just have one box of ammo or even just half a box. Times have changed, and quite frankly, a box of FMJ 223 for trade might not get anything but another box of 223. Now canning jars, matches, rocket stoves, etc., maybe.

  65. jim b Says:

    agree to tom606 . prob is the hard core right sounds like a bunch of crack pots . that turns off the young voter the hispanics etc. I don’t know about you but I remember the damn 80′s when the gov. let all the illegal’s in . remember that mess . I remember a fed law that fined the crap of companie that hired illegals , what happened there . I live in Texas so I see alot of the crap these illegals bring to the table . cops can’t ask about citizenship , because that’s fed juristiction . fine than stop arresting for federal drug law’s . let’s see how fast the federal gov. starts yelling about that . our local police spend way to much time and effort policing federal law . The way I see it drugs illegal’s go hand in hand with drug traffic . I do feel for the kid’s of illegal’s . next election the republicans need to make sure they watch there mouth’s no more stupid statement’s period . Remember the average joe know’s nothing about the person they voted for , they vote for there favorite flavor . educate the voter on the real issue , this is not a soda or beer comercial . thats how they vote .

  66. Dale Hanna Says:

    Fruitbat44 – Technically yes, ones recoil operated while the other is blowback and in my personal opinion one is much less attractive. The site you linked to is an auction site and it’s all about the sell. I’ve been working in the industry as a gunsmith for the last 30 years off and on and the ignorance of some in the business never ceases to amaze me. Education and training must take precedence over the quick sell if one expects to have a long career in this business.

    Pistols like the DC-9 and Mac series are somewhat a novelty for a civilian but in America it’s all about the freedom to own one if your a law abiding citizen.

    Ehh I was more of a Magnum PI follower,something about Hawaiian shirts,Ferrari’s and 1911′s ;o)

  67. Randall Says:

    Mas,

    I have completely lost respect for you now.

    First, you name the article “OH BUMMER”, very childish and this kind of name calling is exactly why we gun owners get no respect. Instead of raising serious points and convincing people with facts, we throw petty insults instead. Is this mentality that many of you have, working?

    Second, as Nate said above, the “brady” quote you took from the NRA site is hogwash to say it nicely.

    Third, you say this…
    “Hey, all you Obama apologists who wrote into this blog over the last few months saying that he didn’t want to interfere with your gun ownership rights…what do you think NOW?”

    So if I disagree and don’t jump on the bandwagon blindly, I’m an “Obama apologist”? Why is it that to be a gun owner, I have to march lockstep with the right wing talking points and parrot all the cute insults?

    You people just don’t get it because you are married to a Republican ideology. I am an independent voter and I don’t vote based on ONE ISSUE. Obama has other things to focus on of a higher priority than gun control. Stop all this silliness which just makes me (and you) pay more for ammo and guns! The way to keep our gun rights is to engage Democrats, YES DEMOCRATS in ADULT discussions about why our gun rights should not be taken away. In case some of you have not noticed, the country is equally divided along party lines and Obama won. The hysteria and rhetoric is not working. Calling him a dictator and socialist is not working. Try a new approach! An adult approach that does not include name-calling or spreading rumors.

  68. Hanza Says:

    Go to the web site for the Communist Party http://www.cpusa.org/
    and look into their party idiology. It is the same as the Democrat Party. Democrats are just Communists with a different name to confuse those who can’t be bothered to ‘look behind the curtain’.

    That is why the Communist Party hasn’t been running their own people for public office because the Democrats are carrying their water for them.

    Obama has been indoctrinated into Communism since he was young. In Hawai’i his friend and mentor, Frank Marshall Davis was a long time Communist Party member.

    His maternal grandparents were socialists, maybe also Communists.

    In Chicago he had help in getting things done and being introduced to the right people by the father of his chief of staff Valerie Jarret. Her father was also a long time Communist so I would imagine that Valerie is also.

    It is a bummer that he was reelected.

    To be right wing is to be for the idiology of the Founders who gave us the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. Things the Democrats don’t believe in.

  69. Dave Says:

    Randall, Engaging dems in logical discussions doesn’t work…that’s why Air-America failed. Once challenged on their points (without mainstream media protection) and presented with logic their foolish positions were exposed.

    And it is the Libs that are the name callers…ever see all of the reasons they call people racist for disagreeing with the pres? Just a tiny sampling below.

    http://www.boortz.com/weblogs/nealz-nuze/2012/oct/25/not-one-five-examples-add-our-s-raaacist-list/

    http://www.boortz.com/weblogs/nealz-nuze/2012/jun/12/s-raaacist/

  70. jim b Says:

    Randall your right this type of talk drives up price and availability , but becarefull . at one time we actually had 2nd amend rights . than cities decided that people should not have guns only leo’s . now what . we are fighting in some cities just to own a gun . you know like new york , chicago . The gov. can and will break any promise they make . look at all the treaties that have been broken over the past 2 hundred years . As for me I’m a libertarian ( that is not liberal ) that’s a constitutionalist . heck even our so called supreme court does not understand the constuition . Becarefull our elected officials vote can and will be tricked in to votting for thing’s . I’ll vote for your thing if you vote for mine . people are dangerous . look at cuba a promise of a better life . they still live like 1950 peasants .

  71. Jim Powell Says:

    Mas-I am a Backwoods reader, solar user, and gun rights believer. In my dental practice, I have a refrigerator in our kitchen, upon which I place certain pertinent bumper stickers. One of them has a quote attributed to Adolph Hitler. It reads “This year will go down in history. For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun registration. Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future!” Adolph Hitler, 1935. Is this what our dear “Ruler” has in store for us? When Hitler took the guns away, there were none to fight him with.

  72. Paul Edwards Says:

    When a conservative tries to tell the world what a Democrat is, and what they think and believe, we are always put down, and told that we don’t know what we are talking about.

    Well, here is an excellent description of a Democrat, from another Democrat, who should really know exactly who and and what the average Democrat is:

    James Carville Says 80% Of Democrats Are Politically Clueless
    October 16, 2012 — The Rat

    RESPECTED DEMOCRAT OPERATIVE SPILLS HIS GUTS ON WHAT HE THINKS OF HIS PARTY

    http://mikesright.wordpress.com/2012/10/16/james-carville-says-80-of-democrats-are-politically-cluless/lunapic_135041541289865_1/

    James Carville, Democrat political consultant extraordinaire – and former Bill Clinton campaign manager, has astonishingly come out and said what all good Republicans have known for decades: Not only are most Democrats politically clueless; they’re easily manipulated by the puppet masters of their party as well. Wow. James Freaking Carville. Of all people. Here’s an excerpt, as quoted on Amazon.com:

    “Ideologies aren’t all that important. What’s important is psychology.

    The Democratic constituency is just like a herd of cows. All you have to do is lay out enough silage and they come running. That’s why I became an operative working with Democrats. With Democrats all you have to do is make a lot of noise, lay out the hay, and be ready to use the ole cattle prod in case a few want to bolt the herd.

    Eighty percent of the people who call themselves Democrats don’t have a clue as to political reality.

    What amazes me is that you could take a group of people who are hard workers and convince them that they should support social programs that were the exact opposite of their own personal convictions. Put a little fear here and there and you can get people to vote any way you want.

    The voter is basically dumb and lazy. The reason I became a Democratic operative instead of a Republican was because there were more Democrats that didn’t have a clue than there were Republicans.

    Truth is relative. Truth is what you can make the voter believe is the truth. If you’re smart enough, truth is what you make the voter think it is. That’s why I’m a Democrat. I can make the Democratic voters think whatever I want them to.”

    Bingo. I couldn’t have written that for ol’ James any better myself. Truth be told, I’ve always had kind of a love-hate relationship with Carville. While I’ve never agreed with him on much of anything – unless he was commenting on the failures of his party, which unlike most political operatives, he’s not been afraid to do through the years – this is different. This amounts to a total confession of what I define in the right sidebar of this blog as the quintessential “political lie”:

    Liberals saying things they know aren’t true for the sole purpose of exploiting the “less-than-informed” for political gain.

    Bravo, James – and thanks for the validation.

  73. Mike in VA Says:

    Randall, How’s the cool aid taste?

  74. Randall Says:

    “Dave Says:
    Randall, Engaging dems in logical discussions doesn’t work…that’s why Air-America failed. Once challenged on their points (without mainstream media protection) and presented with logic their foolish positions were exposed. And it is the Libs that are the name callers…ever see all of the reasons they call people racist for disagreeing with the pres? Just a tiny sampling below.”

    Dave, I respectfully disagree. Yes there are people whom engaging with is impossible. But to suggest that the majority of democratic voters are of that mindset and that we should just throw the idea out and choose belligerency instead, is a suggestion that we have no facts to base the conclusion on.

    As for liberals calling names, there is plenty of name calling done by all political persuasions. If I were talking to liberals I would say the same thing to them that I’ve said here. I have heard plenty of conservatives call Obama a “socialist or communist” without obviously knowing what the definition of those words are, because they don’t fit at all the situation.

    The thing is, many people on both sides are married to an ideology and thus they cannot see the failings or mistakes of their side because they are blinded to it…like a wife who’s husband beats her up but she makes excuses for him. Same mindset.

    Don’t forget also that most politicians are also trained as attorneys and they are not going to ever agree in public with the opposition. That’s how the game is played. We need to engage voters directly thru town halls, ads and other mass media methods. As for Air America, that is a radio show aimed at making money and what it does is no more credible than the Limbaugh show. Bad example, therefore.

    Happy shooting sir! May you always hit the bullseye dead center!

  75. Mas Says:

    Paul Edwards (and everyone else), be careful of that alleged James Carville quote unless and until it is authenticated. I’ve been unable to authenticate it from this end, at this time, and neither has Snopes, which is currently listing it as “probably false.” It is certainly out of character.

    best,
    Mas

  76. Lyle Says:

    The sheeple are blindly following a doctrine of pure insanity. When Obama took office in 2008 gas was $1.95, now it’s $4.00. What on Earth are these sheeple thinking. Obama will absolutely wreck everything and the sheeple think it’s fantastic. And, the media will shape everything in his favor everyday. It’s flabbergasting! I don’t believe in Black Helicopters (yet), but man… I fear that it may not be long and I will. Heaven help us! If things go where I fear, Canada’s gun laws will look outstanding compared to us. At least their Prime Minister is fighting the UN treaty – NOT embracing it!

  77. Eddie Says:

    Enjoy your venison, partridge, pheasant, elk, etc., this year. Watch for NRA updates and remember, we are the country’s best defense. Japan decided not to invade us because they said there was a gun behind every blade of grass. Hang on to your freedom. If things keep going the way they are, we may have to be our own militia. The world’s largest army… America ‘s hunters! I added up the deer license sales in just a handful of states and arrived at a striking conclusion:There were over 600,000 huntersthis season in the state of Wisconsin ..Allow me to restate that number:600,000

    Over the last several months,
    Wisconsin’s hunters became the eighth largest army in
    the world. More men under arms than in Iran. More than France and Germany combined.These men deployed to
    the woods of a single American state, Wisconsin, to hunt with firearms, and no one was killed. That number pales in comparison to the 750,000 who hunted the woods of Pennsylvania and Michigan’s 700,000 hunters,
    all of whom have now returned home safely. Toss in a quarter million hunters in West Virginia and it literally establishes the fact that the hunters of those four states alone would comprise the largest army in the world.
    And then add in the total number of hunters in the other 46 states.
    It’s millions more.

    The point?

    America will forever be safe from foreign invasion with that kind of home-grown firepower. Hunting…
    it’s not just a way to fill the freezer. It’s a matter of national
    security. That’s why all enemies, foreign and domestic, want to see us
    disarmed. Food for thought, when next we consider gun control. Overall it’s true, so if we disregard some assumptions that hunters don’t possess the same skills as soldiers, the question would still remain…What army of 2 million would want to face 30, 40, 50 million armed citizens??? For the sake of our freedom, don’t ever allow gun control or confiscation of guns.

  78. Paul Edwards Says:

    Mas;

    Thanks for the caution.

    I did manage to find the same Quote:

    Democrat James Carville Says “80% of Democrats Don’t Have a Clue as to Political Reality.”

    carried on at least four separate places on the internet, and although I realize that doesn’t prove it’s validity, it is still not just a single posting?

    I also tried it on Snopes.com, but nothing returned at all, neither true or false, or possibly false?

    I did submit an inquiry with them, to see what they might answer, even though I have noticed that Snopes that been totally wrong in the past, usually on issues related to Obama and the Democrats having done something wrong, or embarrassing, and trying to cover it up?

    The real difference here seems to be which side is making the statement.

    If the Liberal Democrats make a false statement in any form of media, even knowing it is false before they post it, then all the other Liberals simply “Quote” the original falsehood, as gospel, and no body, least of all in the Talking Head Media, will ever question it, let alone challenge it.

    When our side, Conservatives, say or post anything, no matter how true and accurate, then we are called to task on it, almost automatically.

    It seems that they, the Liberals, as well as the Talking Heads in the Lame Stream Media always try to hold us to a different and higher standard of truth and accuracy than they themselves normally use in their daily trashing of all things Republican and Conservative?

    Anyway, the statement, true or false, does fit the subject, Low Level Democrat Voters, much better than the glove fit O.J. Simpson, during his murder trial.

  79. Tom606 Says:

    “Forward!”

    That’s what the leader of the clueless lemmings shouted, as he led from behind, the dumb herd rushing towards the edge of the Fiscal Cliff. But the leader was too wise to plunge to his destruction with his devoted
    “Useful Idiots”.

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