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	<title>Comments on: Win a Few … LOSE A FEW!</title>
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	<description>Massad Ayoob on Firearms, Self-defense, and the 2nd Amendment</description>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 20:59:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s an idea; we all pool our money, buy some island way out in the middle of the ocean, form our own nation, with politics based solely on the social contract (I agree not to harm you if you agree not to harm me, and so forth), common sense rules, the only real written law being a prohibition of lawyers (all disputes resolved by arbitration through a popularly chosen, odd numbered group), you can carry whatever form of personal arms you care to and can afford, punishment for crimes amounts to being put in a small, leaky boat sanse sails, oars or engine, and released to a local strong current, and so forth and so on. Direct and simple. The only way in or out is by fishing boat, our &quot;country&quot; being small enough to severely limit population simply by the smallness of the island. We&#039;d have an absolute minimum of international agreements to keep our foreign entanglements low, and what legalisms we&#039;d have would be based solely on the Federalist Papers, Anti-Federalist Papers, the Constitution as originally intended, and the Bill of Rights.

Im thinking about something out in the middle of the Indian Ocean, so far away from any other country that we could live our lives &quot;under the radar&quot; of everyone else.

Any takers?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s an idea; we all pool our money, buy some island way out in the middle of the ocean, form our own nation, with politics based solely on the social contract (I agree not to harm you if you agree not to harm me, and so forth), common sense rules, the only real written law being a prohibition of lawyers (all disputes resolved by arbitration through a popularly chosen, odd numbered group), you can carry whatever form of personal arms you care to and can afford, punishment for crimes amounts to being put in a small, leaky boat sanse sails, oars or engine, and released to a local strong current, and so forth and so on. Direct and simple. The only way in or out is by fishing boat, our &#8220;country&#8221; being small enough to severely limit population simply by the smallness of the island. We&#8217;d have an absolute minimum of international agreements to keep our foreign entanglements low, and what legalisms we&#8217;d have would be based solely on the Federalist Papers, Anti-Federalist Papers, the Constitution as originally intended, and the Bill of Rights.</p>
<p>Im thinking about something out in the middle of the Indian Ocean, so far away from any other country that we could live our lives &#8220;under the radar&#8221; of everyone else.</p>
<p>Any takers?</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Bonneau</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Bonneau</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 03:34:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you folks don&#039;t like the idiocy in the government schools, the answer is clear: take responsibility for the children you bring into this world, and get them out of those schools. Stop sucking at the government teat.

Boy, am I tired of &quot;conservatives&quot; who say, &quot;it&#039;s not socialism when we do it.&quot;

It&#039;s time to get over the &quot;good old days&quot; when you were allowed to carry a pocketknife in your local government indoctrination center. Schools are doing exactly what they were designed to do: turn people into sheep.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you folks don&#8217;t like the idiocy in the government schools, the answer is clear: take responsibility for the children you bring into this world, and get them out of those schools. Stop sucking at the government teat.</p>
<p>Boy, am I tired of &#8220;conservatives&#8221; who say, &#8220;it&#8217;s not socialism when we do it.&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s time to get over the &#8220;good old days&#8221; when you were allowed to carry a pocketknife in your local government indoctrination center. Schools are doing exactly what they were designed to do: turn people into sheep.</p>
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		<title>By: Long Island Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Long Island Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 15:30:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since this thread has taken a walk down memory lane, here is my two cents worth. 

I grew up in an outer borough of NYC (same one as Yankee Stadium). For those of you that don&#039;t know, NYC is composed of five boroughs or counties within the border of the city. Went to high school in the late 1960&#039;s. Not everything in the past was fun. Typical crowded urban school with a population of over 4000 students. Black panthers (not the furry creatures), assorted gangs, drug dealers, young hippies, 21 yr old draft dodgers having repeated senior year 3 times, and certainly lots of good kids also. 

The drug trade was so rampant the NYC Tactical Patrol Force (the TPF was the precursor to SWAT or today&#039;s Emergency Services Unit) would carry out raids in our cafeteria during lunch. Guys cutting up keys of marijuana on the tables in the open. Snorting drugs in the class. Guys were found shot to death outside the school. Anti war riots of a couple of thousand were organized around the recruiter van a block away. 

Some of my friends carried pistols to school. Almost everyone carried a weapon of some kind or other. I carried a knife in my pocket or a steel pipe in my school bag. I carried these for protection from my fellow students. 

Later I went to college in Harlem. I carried weapons but now for protection from the shady characters of the community. It was not uncommon to have wolf packs invade a lecture hall or mug students on the way to the subway.

In college I was on the rifle team. Yes NYC area colleges then (early 1970&#039;s) had rifle ranges. Columbia, NY Maritime college, Brooklyn College, Seton Hall, US Merchant Marine Academy, St. Johns (go redmen !). There were 12 schools in our league. I forget if West Point was in the league, but we shot there often.  Most had ranges. St. Johns built a state of the art range in their athletic building.  

All that went away by 1980. There was a sea change. It was now not politically correct to be spending dollars on evil guns. All the ROTC programs closed. Only the uniformed academies continued with their programs but no organized collegiate league. I took a summer graduate course at St. Johns some years later and visited their range. Plywood nailed over the hallway glass viewing area covered the 30 point range. A padlock on the door. 

Times have changed. In my eyes not for the better. The fact that there are books in the stores that teach kids how to play Mumblety-peg, whittle or build the dreaded CARPET GUN, just shows how much has been lost.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since this thread has taken a walk down memory lane, here is my two cents worth. </p>
<p>I grew up in an outer borough of NYC (same one as Yankee Stadium). For those of you that don&#8217;t know, NYC is composed of five boroughs or counties within the border of the city. Went to high school in the late 1960&#8242;s. Not everything in the past was fun. Typical crowded urban school with a population of over 4000 students. Black panthers (not the furry creatures), assorted gangs, drug dealers, young hippies, 21 yr old draft dodgers having repeated senior year 3 times, and certainly lots of good kids also. </p>
<p>The drug trade was so rampant the NYC Tactical Patrol Force (the TPF was the precursor to SWAT or today&#8217;s Emergency Services Unit) would carry out raids in our cafeteria during lunch. Guys cutting up keys of marijuana on the tables in the open. Snorting drugs in the class. Guys were found shot to death outside the school. Anti war riots of a couple of thousand were organized around the recruiter van a block away. </p>
<p>Some of my friends carried pistols to school. Almost everyone carried a weapon of some kind or other. I carried a knife in my pocket or a steel pipe in my school bag. I carried these for protection from my fellow students. </p>
<p>Later I went to college in Harlem. I carried weapons but now for protection from the shady characters of the community. It was not uncommon to have wolf packs invade a lecture hall or mug students on the way to the subway.</p>
<p>In college I was on the rifle team. Yes NYC area colleges then (early 1970&#8242;s) had rifle ranges. Columbia, NY Maritime college, Brooklyn College, Seton Hall, US Merchant Marine Academy, St. Johns (go redmen !). There were 12 schools in our league. I forget if West Point was in the league, but we shot there often.  Most had ranges. St. Johns built a state of the art range in their athletic building.  </p>
<p>All that went away by 1980. There was a sea change. It was now not politically correct to be spending dollars on evil guns. All the ROTC programs closed. Only the uniformed academies continued with their programs but no organized collegiate league. I took a summer graduate course at St. Johns some years later and visited their range. Plywood nailed over the hallway glass viewing area covered the 30 point range. A padlock on the door. </p>
<p>Times have changed. In my eyes not for the better. The fact that there are books in the stores that teach kids how to play Mumblety-peg, whittle or build the dreaded CARPET GUN, just shows how much has been lost.</p>
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